I think some people are being disingenuous here. TDA did in fact start out by framing the issue as a generational problem. Sorry but they started the blame game that they now insist is off limits. I agree it should have never been the focus. And hopefully everyone can move on. Try and listen instead of being all defensive and self-righteous about it. Chalk it as a learning experience. Hey I wish the group luck and hope they can accomplish something good cuz dtwn needs a lot of help.

Well it sounds like he knows more than you do considering he was able to list several things besides paint. I don't think he said he was excited about a coat of paint- that's your issue. Besides you only cut & pasted a statement made by someone else regarding the foreclosure. How is that listing two facts? As for the foreclosure, it won't mean demise of the mall if that's what you are hoping for. I'm just wondering what you expect the new owners to do in the first couple of weeks. I guess I just don't understand why you are complaining, apart from that's what your gang does best. The rest of us see this as a positive thing.

Nah the overkill parking restriction around Orphan is ridiculous too.

Come on Ben at 2 am in the morning outside of a bar -it doesn't take much of an imagination to assume alcohol was invloved. It's pretty reasonable assuption if you ask me.

There's something sleazy about the way the Christians handled themselves in all this. I don't think most gay people were shocked or outraged. I mean haven't they heard all this before? It was when the political left and right got into the middle of it that all hell broke loose. But the way that Christians went out of their way to support a junk food chain over this issue is shameful.

What neighborhood are you trying build in?

Yeah I've gone to city hall. By 'destroying city property' , the " once beautiful landscaping" - do you mean a small patch of grass? Sorry I don't think a small patch of grass is worth more than my civil liberties. Sorry I don't believe people when they say they support 1st Amend rights and then agree to destroy those rights. They have no shame and are complete hypocrites. Do you feel the same about the people who 'occupy' Chavez Park and have done so for years? Do you feel the same about the people there throwing their trash around and urinating in the park? What about the people who destroyed the newly seeded grass during the Friday Night Concerts? I am more offended that my tax dollars went to pay for the 'poop monument' across the street.

You are exaggerating M@. I am on K Street nearly everyday and I have never seen someone throw up once let alone 10x. Tonight I went out to dinner at 18h and Capitol and found a parking space less than half a block away from were I was going. Some people just have no luck. Don't blame everyone else.

Why should it cost so much money? It's a racket.

This has been a complaint against Sacramento audiences for years. Not sure why we are not very demonstrative. It must be cultural because people in other cities are not so sedate. Lack of appreciation for talent is a real problem. Maybe it's self-consciousness? Maybe they think their home watching on the TV?

This I agree with.

@Rhys 02 of course WeSac would take a major league team over a minor one. As for WeSac "settling" for people going across the river to dine and party -- what do you think they do now? Besides they wouldn't have any of their development without Sacramento in the first place. Maybe it's not just the mayor who lives in a separate reality. Let's not get silly regarding WeSac' recent developments. They are not 'running rings' around Sacramento as the Sacramento haters like to believe. It's just that their development is far more dramatic/noticeable becuase its a small town. And again they have that development precisely because of their proximity to central Sacramento.

Regionalism in the Sacramento Region has always been something of a joke so i wouldn't be worried about alienating our so-called "partners". And as you righty pointed out regionalism here only means Sacramento County and WeSac is in Yolo County. All these other so-called partners feed off Sacramento and would not exist without Sacramento. Cities like Roseville have shown their contempt for regional corporation for years -if you want to complain about this sort of thing go after them.

Meh

Jim is exactly right. You can't just compare population.

Agreed

Let's go with the very good plan we already have. If we want to use 'parking garage money' on anything how about making improvements to the existing core that will get the owners of the Railyards moving on developing it as planned. One thing we could do is buy the Westfield Plaza (at a discounted price since it's in such poor shape) and de-mall it -- open it up and make it look like a real street again (san the cars) and add housing - something like San Jose's Santna Row.

I don't think people are as anti-business as you want to believe they are. I think it's more about what is appropriate for the site. Putting a Home Depot or Bass Pro Shop in the Railyards would be a foolish waste and make us even more of joke. Thank goodness there are people who have higher ambitions.

I wish this was a joke. The mayor should explain why he wants to chuck the plans that the City and residents have spent a lot of time, energy and money developing. I don't understand how these 'Think Big' clowns can come in and completely change the direction/focus of the Railyards. They think they have found a way to wring money out of the publicly-financed parking garages and now are looking for ways to spend that money in order to line their own pockets. I would like to know who the 72 members of Think Big are.

There was a canal element included in the early plans but locals with a fetish for the gridiron put the kibosh on it. Besides it did seemed a little cheesy. Don't think gas stations are really thinking 'big'. It should not be about catering to folks from Rose Ville or downtown workers but about ADDiNG downtown residents. Seeking corporate HQ's seems rather 1989. Creating a branch of UC Davis would be about the smartest move we could make - drawing in and keeping young talent and engery.