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POLL: Is gun control the answer in the wake of shootings?

by Melissa Corker, published on August 16, 2012 at 8:58 AM

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The recent shootings in Colorado and Wisconsin have renewed the debate on how – and if – gun control laws should be changed, but one California lawmaker’s attempt to respond to tragedy has fallen short.

A new bill from State Senator Leland Yee aimed at restricting assault weapons in California stopped short in the Assembly Appropriations Committee yesterday and won’t be revived until the next legislative session – if at all.

The bill, SB249, would ban devices that allow magazines of ammunition to be reloaded so quickly that semiautomatic firearms can be fired almost like assault weapons, reports Jim Sanders in The Sacramento Bee, and Yee said he intends to see the proposal through.

"My greatest fear is that another senseless act of violence will happen before the loophole is closed," Yee said in a prepared statement. "Despite the gun lobby's efforts to derail common-sense legislation, I will not give up this fight."

Creating legislation in response to instances of unexpected tragedy is fairly common: For instance, the attempted assassination of President Ronald Reagan in 1981 led to a dramatic change in federal gun control laws with the enactment of the Brady Act.

But other efforts have been less successful. After the shooting of Arizona Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords last year, federal lawmakers proposed new laws prohibiting the manufacture of ammunition magazines that hold more than 10 rounds and banning the possession of a weapon within 1,000 feet of elected officials. The former bill is still working its way through congress, and the latter never got off the ground.

And, the shooting at Virginia Tech in 1997 spurred the State General Assembly to allow colleges to restrict carrying weapons on to campuses despite open-carry laws.

But, is creating new legislation the answer? Is it helpful in preventing additional, similar crimes or does it create unnecessary restrictions on law-abiding gun owners?

Some say gun control laws should remain untouched, despite recent tragic events, because policy change is a different conversation.

Brian Dogherty writes in Hit and Run on reason.com that “[T]urning the (still) very rare criminal and evil uses of guns to indiscriminately harm innocents into a reason for policy change doesn't work that well in America any more, and it shouldn't, and it likely won't now.”

But gun control advocates, like Congresswoman Carolyn McCarthy (D-New York), say tragedy can be prevented by tighter regulation of who can obtain weapons and what kind.

“We need comprehensive reform to reduce the number of people hurt or killed by gunfire in America, but one simple way we can do that is by keeping the worst tools of mass murder away from the general public,” McCarthy said.

Dogherty suggests that, whatever the motive for committing crime, it can’t be explained away with policy.

“The endless and unmanageable mystery of the individual's power and choice to do evil is what's at play, and there aren't many explanations of that of policy relevance,” Dogherty writes.

How do you feel about gun control laws in California? Is there a need to tighten them? Share your opinion with our poll, and by commenting in the section below.

 

Melissa Corker is a staff reporter for The Sacramento Press. Follow her on Facebook and on Twitter @MelissaCorker.

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August 16, 2012 | 9:22 AM
Gun control laws only work if the bad guys obey them.
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August 16, 2012 | 10:42 AM
My colleague at the Bee paraphrased Yee without really understanding that the device SB249 sought to ban in fact makes reloading take more time, as it requires a tool to remove the magazine, which by law is limited to 10 rounds in the guns that require it.

The device is commonly known as a "bullet button," and the magazine cannot be removed by pressing the release button with a finger, because it's impossible.

It only applies to firearms in certain configurations – those that would otherwise be considered "assault weapons" under California law.
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August 16, 2012 | 10:54 AM
So, the purpose of the bill was to ban the device that changed "assault weapons" to "non-assault weapons," making it more difficult for gun owners to side-step the California ban on owning "assault weapons," correct?
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August 16, 2012 | 11:00 AM
By law, these are not assault weapons. California has a distinct classification of what is and is not an assault weapon, and this was one way of making a gun not fit that category, as it, under California penal code, then has a "fixed magazine."

I'm not taking a side on this issue. I'm just pointing out that the issue is misrepresented in the Bee article.

I'd think of this being similar to having a car that does not meet smog standards because it has certain parts on it. Changing those parts so it fits the law for smog definitions is not side-stepping a law – it's conforming to it.

Whether the assault weapon classification is something that needs to be changed is a separate issue.
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August 16, 2012 | 10:59 AM
Pass all the laws you want. Criminals will still have AR 15's with 100 round drum magazines and the standard mag release. They don't care about Yee's law. Until we start locking up gun abusers, things won't change no matter what control laws pass.
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August 16, 2012 | 11:06 AM
Yee's bill makes the bullet button illegal. Forcing AR15 owners to make their magazines fixed. Only able to be removed with a tool, such as an allen wrench or such. That lack of being able to remove the 10 round magazine is what declassifies it from an assault weapon. There is so much more to this than meets the eye.
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August 16, 2012 | 11:08 AM
The actual California penal code specifies that a bullet is considered a tool.
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August 16, 2012 | 11:13 AM
And Yee's bill aims to remove the bullet from the definition of a tool......
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August 16, 2012 | 11:15 AM
Yes. I only replied to let people who aren't aware of that know that it's defined that way in the penal code.
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August 16, 2012 | 1:22 PM
What always surprises me when a shooting happens is how surprised people are that it could happen. It's as if they have never realized that a person could do such a thing, especially such a thing with a gun.

All three of the guns used were semi-automatic. This means 1 shot per 1 pull of the trigger. These are the guns police use for protection and that people have been using for well over 100 years. In fact, all three guns that Holmes used are standard issue for police duty across this nation. Squad cars generally have shotguns and "patrol carbines" in them. The AR15 and the Remington 870 commonly fulfill this function.

These are not the machine guns that SWATs use, these are for everyday, defensive use. The AR15 stands out because it looks like the iconic military M16 assault rifle (aka "machine gun"). It is not an assault rifle however, it is a civilian, semi-automatic version.

Banning semi-automatic firearms is absolutely off the table, so they've decided to arbitrarily demonize some scary looking guns, and make it illegal to have cosmetic features on them (such as a collapsible stock, or a pistol grip). They say things like "there's no use for gun X or gun Y in civilized society", when there is no functional difference between those guns and other semi-automatic firearms which may have never been the subject of bans/restrictions.

My point is, most people who advocate gun control don't even know the subject matter. If you ban an AR15 and don't ban other semi-automatic firearms, how does achieve anything? Semi-auto firearms are not going anywhere, and the SCOTUS has already twice struck down bans on semi-automatic handguns. The use of force is legal for defense of self and others, and a semi-automatic handgun is the most effective single-person force in the world.
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August 17, 2012 | 11:40 AM
Very well said.

The legislature might as well just propose a ban on "scary looking guns", with "scary" being defined by a panel of middle school boys.

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edited on  August 16, 2012 | 1:29 PM
This article and others on the topic portray a "semi-automic handgun" as some exotic, specialized weapon of mass-murder. But really these are just what most people know as a "gun", exactly the same type of handgun that many of us own for self-defense or recreational shooting.

Requiring the magazine be bolted to my 9mm is silly, since a criminal will not respect this law anyway. And it is easy for a criminal to carry multiple guns.. Making it more difficult for the rest of us legal owners to remove ammo from our guns simply increases the likelyhood of a weapon being loaded, and causing havoc if it ends up in the wrong hands. We want to encourage gun owners to remove their magazine from guns whenever it is not necessary to loaded, why would we want to discourage this basic rule of gun safety by requiring a tool?

These laws, in addtion to being politically opportunistic, are a knee-jerk reaction to "do something" It doesnt matter if that something is logical, effective, or even constitutional... just as long as we "are doing something". Legislative theater for the masses I guess.
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