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POLL: Parking to panhandlers – What's killing downtown?

by Melissa Corker, published on July 17, 2012 at 8:26 AM

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Here’s the scenario: It’s lunchtime and you live and work downtown. You’ve been craving Indian food from that little place 12 blocks away from the office – too far to walk, but you don’t want to drive because street parking is expensive and there’s never enough of it. What do you do?

It’s a common frustration for city-dwellers and, as Ed Goldman writes in the Sacramento Business Journal, some people say it’s killing downtown.

“Have you ever tried to drive to lunch around here?” downtown resident Emily Gerber asks Goldman in the article. “You pull up to a restaurant and there’s only one-hour parking, which means you either have to interrupt your lunch to go out and re-park your car or get a ticket that’s, like, $50. This is what’s killing downtown.”

Parking issues are huge with city neighborhoods – note the recent clamor over angled back-in parking in Alkali Flat and a proposed pilot program for Second Saturday parking. And, as anyone who lives or visits downtown knows all too well, it’s tiresome to do the “parking space shuffle” to avoid huge tickets.

Is the answer free parking for all? Doubtful. The city may not be ready to turn off parking meters to calm the quell: parking revenue accounts for $9 million of the city’s general fund and, in this economy, the city needs to hold on to every source of revenue that it can.

The city has taken steps to improve the situation. Many merchants participate in a parking validation program, and on weekends and weeknights, visitors can park for $2 at the public parking garage at 17th Street between Capitol Avenue and L Street, though that's little help for residents during the workday.

Sure parking is a pain, but is that what’s killing downtown? The city’s urban core has other issues that some might say are equally problematic – not the least of which are panhandlers.

The downtown seems at times to be overrun with an army of aggressive panhandlers (and we’re not talking about downtown James Brown), who can be bold enough to interrupt phone conversations and tap on car windows, making people second-guess their decision to shop in the central city. From Broadway to K Street, business owners have said panhandlers are their number one customer complaint.

Some cities have taken steps to ban panhandling in downtown areas, including Los Angeles, San Francisco and Ft. Lauderdale, FL. Would that work in Sacramento?

What problems do you think need to be addressed about downtown?

Tell us what you think about this topic in today’s poll and give us your suggestions in the conversation below.

 

Results from yesterday’s poll:
In yesterday’s poll, we asked readers: What should be done to improve rafting on the American River?

58 percent said the county should enact a full alcohol ban on the river
9 percent said we should explore ways to regulate large rafting groups
17.8 percent said to continue as is – it's not a huge problem
14.8 percent said that, after the latest brawl, law enforcement should step up and more strictly enforce the existing rules

Melissa Corker is a staff reporter for The Sacramento Press. Follow her on Facebook and on Twitter @MelissaCorker.

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July 17, 2012 | 9:33 AM
Neither parking nor panhandling/homeless is the real culprit. The panhandling here is not very aggressive and the homeless and/or people on the margins of society are more visible downtown simply because there's so few other people around. And parking isn't really a huge problem if people would only use the garages. The REAL problem with downtown Sacramento is one that is seldom discussed - a handful of properties owners -most of whom live outside of the City and for whatever reason don't care about improving downtown. They are content to hold out until some magic wizard comes along and hands them a big wad of cash for their empty, rundown buildings.
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July 17, 2012 | 9:47 AM
Thanks Mark. That's an issue worth exploring in greater depth. I'll be in touch to brainstorm about ways we can follow-up on your point.
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July 17, 2012 | 11:59 AM
Gee, is fair market value "a big wad of cash"?
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July 17, 2012 | 7:11 PM
I'm not even arguing against a property owner getting fair market value. You miss my point completely because you're on some soapbox. Is there anything that a business does you disagree with and conversely anything you think government does well?
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edited on  July 17, 2012 | 10:48 AM
WHILE YOU'RE attempting in-depth issue journo work, Jared Cleanface, snoop around a "privatized Chavez Park" rumor, to complement the absentee owner morass well-known to many.
P.S. silly survey
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July 17, 2012 | 11:02 AM
Please elaborate on the privatized Chavez Park 'rumor'. If it were really privatized I doubt it would be filled with so many 'extraordinary' people.
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July 17, 2012 | 10:55 AM
Certainly the buzz kill of our huge homeless population would rank as one of the biggest but thats just a symptom or effect and not a root cause. People need to communicate more. It is the universal solvent. Walk down the street and say Howdy to a complete stranger and you get a shocked run for your lives look. Cities that are sustainable have a healthy population that get out on the street and communicate!
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July 17, 2012 | 11:02 AM
If more downtown restaurants offered free valet parking I might frequent them more often. However, I am not willing to pay the exorbitant fees charged by the parking garages just to go somewhere for lunch. And while a ban on panhandling would be the best solution, its unlikely to happen but it would be nice if the police actually enforced the solicitation and vagrancy laws that are already on the books.

Together, both of these would make the downtown area much more inviting.
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July 17, 2012 | 12:07 PM
If restaurants offered free valet parking, they would have to add the cost of both the garage space they utilized and the valet staff - i.e., it wouldn't be free and would actually cost you more in your restaurant bill than it costs now to simply park your own car in a garage. You're better off with a City sponsored parking validation program - although it's unclear what would happen to such a program if the City auctions off its parking programs to pay for a major development (arena or non-arena).
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July 17, 2012 | 12:37 PM
Most Midtown parking lots cost about $2-5 for evening parking.
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July 17, 2012 | 1:39 PM
The article was about lunch, so evening parking rates are not really relevant.
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July 17, 2012 | 5:19 PM
The article was about a woman who lives and works downtown, and walks to work--she doesn't have to drive to lunch, so lunchtime parking rates are not really relevant either.
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July 17, 2012 | 11:21 AM
Downtown Sacramento is far from dead.. it was when I moved here in 1999. Then, hardly anything remained open passed 5 pm, and the downtown core became a ghost town after 5pm.

Today, everything has changed. You may have to walk 12 blocks to get to your favorite Indian restaurant, but there is also a pretty good one likely less than 5 blocks from you, as well as a high quality restaurant in almost any other area you could think of. There is even an increased level of housing downtown, though this is in its infancy.

I have lived downtown for the past 13 years and I love it. I ride my bike to work. I eat like a king. I roam around downtown/midtown on weekends and still discover new things.

Can we improve, yes! are we dying.. far from it!

Along with more housing in Downtown.. which CADA is doing an amazing job promoting, I would love to see more public transit downtown. When I first moved here it was only 50 Cents if you wanted to ride a bus inside the downtown core. This is the only step backwards I have seen over the 13 years I have been here.

I also totally agree with Mark. There should be some sort of tax on empty buildings downtown. If you can't do something with the building, sell it to someone who can. Sitting on prime property does nothing for anyone.
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July 24, 2012 | 2:16 PM
If a landowner wants to keep a factor of production idle, then you'd propose a tax because the idleness is not adhering to your's or others' preconceived notion of what downtown is or should be?
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July 24, 2012 | 6:18 PM
It wouldn't have to be a tax, just some sort of encouragement to make the most out of the underutilized space. CCA, your argument doesn't address the issue--that property owners don't have an incentive to contribute to the areas that others live in... especially since many don't live there themselves.

Not everything is zero-sum
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July 17, 2012 | 11:39 AM
When I lived and worked in Centre City Philly, I had no car. I ate wherever was convenient or brought my own lunch. In my opinion, people should be thankful to have a job from which to take a lunch break and worry less that they can't have food from their favorite place that's too far away.
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July 17, 2012 | 11:54 AM
I was in the Subway on K street at lunchtime and watched while a hobo approached a couple of his friends sitting on a bench. He then went to the trash bin and threw up approx, ten times. I don't think this is uncommon. The fact is that downtown is overrun with indigents. Chavez park is like hobo daycare. They make the city look like a slum, no matter how many 'bumble bees' there are about.

Parking is becoming a huge problem. Any visit to a downtown/midtown establishment now involves circling endlessly looking for a 2 hour or more meter , which seem to be as rare as hen's teeth. Retailers must be getting destroyed by this stupid overreaching revenue grab.

As an example, My partner goes to yoga 5-7 times a week. Most of the meters near the studio are one hour meters, but the (Zuda) yoga classes last 75 minutes on average. anyone see the disconnect?
In addition, UP have just made a land grab and are now charging a $5 daily rate for their glass and nail infested trackside on 20/P. It's all gotten out of control. The city is starving the Goose that lays the golden eggs.
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July 17, 2012 | 1:00 PM
It's Union Pacific's land--they own it, so no "land grab" is involved. $5 is chump change for daily parking, and in return for a nominal fee, the lots will now be lit, better maintained and patrolled. Demand for parking in the central city has gone up--which raises the price. Until recently, people were illegally parking on Union Pacific's private property--but they have chosen, as private property owners, to charge for that service, which they have every right to do.
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edited on  July 18, 2012 | 9:08 AM
You are exaggerating M@. I am on K Street nearly everyday and I have never seen someone throw up once let alone 10x. Tonight I went out to dinner at 18h and Capitol and found a parking space less than half a block away from were I was going. Some people just have no luck. Don't blame everyone else.
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July 17, 2012 | 11:57 AM
I'd like to apologise for the use of the horrid pseudo-word 'gotten' in my previous comment. I don't know what came over me. I must have lived here too long. Sorry, won't happen again.
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July 17, 2012 | 12:31 PM
I don't have a parking problem. If i happen to use my car i park 'way-off' the commercial portion of the grid and walk in. Or I ride my bike into MT. Or take public transportation (sooo scary). I know that may be tough for some who have to 'impress' people with their status symbols. Consider it discipline for future depleting gas resources.

Stop giving them money. They will go away. I think we owe our "homeless problem" to the loafs and fishes corporation. Seems to a beacon for all northern Cali degenerates. That joke just keeps on giving.
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July 17, 2012 | 12:40 PM
12 blocks in Sacramento = about 1 mile, about a 15 or 20 minute walk. On a bike it would be a few minutes so I prefer to patronize businesses with bike racks near the front door :)
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edited on  July 17, 2012 | 1:04 PM
I read the linked article and don't feel a whole lot of sympathy for the young woman interviewed by Ed Goldman. She lives half a mile from work, why doesn't she walk to work, a trip that would take about 15 minutes? She works downtown where there are hundreds of places to eat lunch, why does she bother taking the time to get her car out of the garage to drive to a lunch place in the same neighborhood? If she already walks a cart to the store for groceries, why not use an insulated bag (many stores sell them) to keep her ice cream solid on that 15 minute walk home?

(Although the idea of a downtown market is a good one--hopefully the old Greyhound depot at 7th and L will be converted to that purpose, or other property that is currently vacant like the ground floor of the Renaissance Tower.)

Trying to navigate a walkable, urban downtown like ours as though it were a suburb, with large parking lots everywhere, will of course end with frustration--the same frustration that someone trying to get around on foot or a bicycle experiences in less walkable and more automobile-oriented neighborhoods.
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July 17, 2012 | 3:07 PM
Nailed it.
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July 17, 2012 | 1:12 PM
Parking isn't that much of a problem. it's nowhere near as bad as SF. You can usually find a spot within a couple of blocks of where you need to be. For people who are used to parking lots in front of their favorite chain store, that might seem like a problem.
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July 17, 2012 | 3:50 PM
There has to be a compromise between people who drive in and dump their car for 8 hours a day on free space and charging everybody $5-$9/day when they just want to have a leisurely lunch. In an ideal world, everyone would live 10 blocks from their work/studio/favourite eatery but that isn't the case. Bicycles are great and all but if you really think a family of five can travel safely round downtown/midtown at night then you must be living in the 1950s. Fixies are not the answer to all problems, Sacramento-wise.
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July 17, 2012 | 5:24 PM
About 100,000 people drive into downtown Sacramento to work every weekday, and they're all looking for free parking. This means that a visitor driving downtown at lunchtime has to compete with all of those commuters for parking spaces--which raises the price. The only way to create even a limited number of short-term parking spaces is to limit parking times for street parking downtown. It's simple economics--more people want to park in limited spaces, so either the price goes up, or you end up with an even bigger shortage of parking spaces. Creating more parking spaces is expensive, so new parking garages or lots have to charge to pay for their own construction and maintenance costs.

So, yes, charging people $5-9 a day for parking is the compromise. Or they could come back after 6 PM and park on the street without charge, or if they weren't comfortable parking on the street, take advantage of evening parking rates which are closer to $2-5.

And if that family of five all have bike lights and reflective gear, and aren't cruising J Street at 2 AM, why wouldn't it be safe for them to ride bikes downtown in the evening?
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July 18, 2012 | 10:07 AM
So if there are about 100,000 people driving downtown to work, and the bulk of those are state, city and county employees, why shouldn't those entities be forced to provide their employees with off-street parking? The state and county should build new multilevel garages on some of their surface lots downtown in order to store their employee's cars all day. Obviously getting them all to use public transport hasn't work. Yes it will cost money and passing that cost on to the employees would mean some would forego the garage -that is unless they are charged regardless of whether they use it or not it or they can prove that they used public transport to get to work.

Suggesting that everyone ride a bike as alternative to driving is just not very realistic. Better public transport would be one solution. Unfortunately, I have almost no faith in RT to provide that. Besides like it or a large percentage of the population drive cars and you cannot ruin the local economy by acting as if that were not the case. Change can happen but it's going to take a lot more time and infill. In the meanwhile we need to address the whole parking issue with rational, realistic minds.
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July 18, 2012 | 1:02 PM
The question is, who is going to force them? Building garages isn't necessarily an answer. If you don't have enough faith in Regional Transit to provide transportation, why do you have more faith in city or county agencies to provide parking? And no, it's not all government employees. Downtown Sacramento has a large private sector employee workforce.

Building garages doesn't solve the problem either--in fact, it can make things worse, because the priority for infill lots becomes parking lots or parking structures, instead of infill housing and commercial buildings that would encourage people to live downtown. Building more parking capacity doesn't help the problem--in the end, it could make things worse!
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July 19, 2012 | 10:47 AM
I never said I have faith in the City or State. Nor did I say all downtown employees are government. But everyone knows that the by far the largest employer downtown is the State of California. I'm not worried that taking a couple of existing state-owned surface parking lots and replacing them with higher capacity garages will mean there will be no room left for infill housing or offices or discourage people from living downtown. It would not make matters worse. There is so much room downtown for infill it's not even funny. Besides even cities with much higher downtown populations have parking garages. I'm trying to be realistic and not live blindly in my own ideal world.
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edited on  July 19, 2012 | 12:29 PM
You might want to check your numbers, then--yes, numerically, the biggest single employer is the state of California, but you have not demonstrated clearly that a lack of state parking lots (or a lack of alternatives to state parking lots) is the source of the problem. There are actually a lot of state parking lots and structures already--and the fact that they sit vacant 16 hours a day is a serious detriment to the life of the central city. And while those garages may have sufficient capacity, they aren't necessarily being used because they aren't necessarily free for employees. And even if they were, someone has to pay for those garages--if not the employees, then the taxpayer. Is that something the state can afford right now?

Providing more parking spaces, regardless of who pays for it, does not necessarily make parking downtown easier--in fact, the more parking you provide, the more you are actively encouraging people to drive downtown--instead of taking other transit modes, or living downtown (since someone who lives downtown doesn't need to drive to work or to go to lunch.) This hurts downtown far more than expensive street parking, because people who actually live downtown are far more important to a central city's economy, on a per capita basis, than people visiting from outside the downtown (they're important, just not as important as having more downtown residents.)

The city of Sacramento's proposed new zoning/parking policy will actually do the reverse of your suggestion--new projects in the downtown core will require NO parking, and those in traditional neighborhoods like Alkali Flat, Southside, Midtown, East Sacramento, Land Park etcetera will require dramatically less parking than under current zoning codes--and for lots smaller than 6400 square feet, no parking requirement at all for commercial uses.
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July 20, 2012 | 5:48 PM
We are not going to agree on this. I'm actually all for the new zoning/parking policy and downtown residential infill. I don't think you are going to wholesale change commuting habits anytime soon. The only one's hurt by the state not providing enough off-street parking for their employees are the downtown residents and non-commuting visitors. Everyday I see many state employees park their cars in residential neighborhoods and on the street, many block from their work. If the state would just replace a couple of their surface parking lots with new garages (with ground-floor retail space), it would help. Can the state afford this? Yes they can. Should they make the parking spaces 'free' to their employees during working hours? Yes, and then charge the general public after hours. There would still be plenty of room downtown for infill.

I'd like to see the traffic circle across the capital be turned into a public plaza -free of cars- someday. For that to happen you are probably going to have to build a garage nearby (say on lot across from State Archives Building/Cal Museum). I'd also like to see on-street parking on the Capitol Mall between 3rd and 7th streets.

I understand and share your passion for good public transportation and a dense urban core. I just think it's unreasonable to expect most commuters to move downtown or take RT. Even cities with great public transportation systems and much higher close-in densities still wrangle over parking issues. And as our core becomes more dense that issue will not go away.
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July 20, 2012 | 6:01 PM
I'm pretty comfortable with the zoning/parking policy too--but realize that it will do the opposite of what you're recommending that the state should do, in fact it would eliminate their requirement to provide any parking at all. It isn't necessary for most commuters to take transit, but I think it is reasonable to expect more commuters to take transit, and it's a lot easier and cheaper to encourage that behavior, such as employers paying for transit passes instead of parking spaces (many already do.) And considering the growing interest in living downtown, I think it's reasonable to expect that more downtown workers are going to choose residences closer to their workplaces as time goes on. And, while some might take issue with it, many won't care at all about downtown parking spaces, since they won't need to use them.

And yes, even cities with great public transportation systems and higher densities wrangle about parking. That's kind of my point too--expensive, hard-to-find parking in the downtown core isn't a problem that kills downtowns, in fact it is a good indicator of a downtown that is doing well, because people obviously want to be there.
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July 22, 2012 | 8:31 AM
So you think that if those surface lots get developed into state offices that there will be no structured parking garages built?
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July 25, 2012 | 7:53 AM
I don't think those surface lots are going to get developed into state offices any time in the next decade or so. The state doesn't have the money for that, the number of state employees is remaining the same or dropping somewhat (by about 5%) so there isn't much need for a lot of new state office buildings. Current plans for the "West End" office complex, which would have been built on some old state lots, have been shelved indefinitely, and some offices that the state was vacating in anticipation of their demolition have actually been re-occupied.

I imagine that any new projects that do get built will have some sort of parking, as tenants expect it to be there and banks are uncomfortable financing building projects that don't have parking. But the city won't require a specific parking minimum the way they currently do--so future projects are likely to have fewer parking spaces than they would currently need, including state offices.

In the short to medium term future, I expect more residential projects like those currently underway or in the near future--like the ones on 16th and O currently under construction, or the R Street lofts at 11th. We're going to see a lot more central city housing, and most likely a lot more people like the young woman interviewed in this article, who actively want to live close to their workplace. They will not need a parking space in a downtown lot--although they might want one at their residence. (Or they might not!)
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July 18, 2012 | 2:14 PM
I tend to agree with previous statements that If I had a full time job in midtown a little gratitude and less attitude about walking would make everyone living downtown breathe easier....My generation of baby boomers are seriously defined by thier automobiles .Its a cultural problem that is difficult to shake off untill you get out of your car.I personally gave up my car in 2008.Live in midtown ..walk or bike to anyone of the best parks(southside or freemont) can see theatre poetry or music ........and go to alocal farmers market...The only thing bad aboutlliving in Midtown are the Entitled Drivers speeding through over the posted speed limit....
Impatient, angry drivers.should r
Take a CarVaction,ge t to know your neighbors and the tree canopy we have...Slow down and appreciate fowntow
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July 18, 2012 | 2:15 PM
Downtown
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July 20, 2012 | 8:21 AM
Great conversation. I work on Capitol Mall, which actually has great parking in the highrises-- IF you're willing to pay an arm & a leg during the daytime (luckily my employer pays for my parking pass). On this western-most end of DT, dining is the biggest need. All of the folks who work here have great fine dining options: Il Fornaio, Kitchen and Morton's top that list. But for those of us with 30 minute or hour lunches? With the mall and K street looking more like a war zone than a hospitable place to grab a quick bite, it's no wonder so many of us drive to Natomas for lunch!
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July 20, 2012 | 5:12 PM
You commuters go all the way out to Natomas for lunch huh? Really? Can't find something n Downtown or Midtown? Well it's true we don't have a Cheesecake Factory yet. BTW you probably should visit a real war zone before you compare it with K Street.
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July 20, 2012 | 5:28 PM
During the lunch hour, I-5 looks like more of a war zone than the K Street Mall to me...do people really spend that half hour driving to Natomas and back rather than walk a block or two to K Street? To me, it seems like there are more dining options than ever, and during the day things are very active and safe--but then I tend to perceive downtown street life as more entertainment than a threat...while dodging around on the freeway to hit a drive-thru is about as fun as a nice root canal.
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July 24, 2012 | 6:20 PM
Look at what the respondents chose. In this headline-focused readership culture, be careful about what you choose.
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