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Man on the Street: business after cars on K

by Brandon Darnell, published on December 6, 2011 at 5:50 PM

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It’s been almost one month since cars returned to K Street between Eighth and 12th streets, and The Sacramento Press asked business owners and managers on the former pedestrian mall if they have observed any differences as a result.

To read about the reopening of the K Street Mall to vehicular traffic, click here.

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Larry Bethune, 25-year-old shift leader at Quiznos, 902 K St.

“I think it allows a lot more people to know about the different restaurants on K Street,” Bethune said. “It hasn’t increased business yet because there’s nowhere to park. There’s a lot about a block from here with purple fence around it. If they turned that into a parking lot, then having cars on the street would turn into a really great idea.”

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Veni Sharma, 63-year-old co-owner of DeRow & Sharma Clothier & Tailors, 916 K St.

“It’s too early to tell, but it’s improved a little bit,” Sharma said. “People are still learning they can drive down here. It’s a positive thing.”

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Chuck Karajeh, 51-year-old owner of Midtown Market, 1026 K St.

“There’s been no change so far,” Karajeh said. “I don’t think it’s going to change anything. To me, well, I’ve been here a long time. I don’t think people are going to stop, and there’s no parking. If they had street parking, it would help.”

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Chris Dooley, 32-year-old bar manager at Ella Dining Room & Bar, 1131 K St.

“We’re still doing the same, but we have always had a street with cars on it, since we’re on the corner (of 12th and K streets),” Dooley said. “For some, I’m sure bringing cars back has increased business. It definitely makes the street more approachable to pedestrians and families, so it’s more accessible now.”

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Jesse Lua, 29-year-old manager of Blimpie Subs & Salads, 1023 K St.

“There’s been no change,” Lua said. “It really hasn’t gotten any traffic at all. I don’t think it’ll do anything without parking. The only traffic I’ve seen is maybe some cabs, but there hasn’t been an accident yet.”

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Sid Garcia-Heberger, 46-year-old general manager of the Crest Theatre, 1013 K St.

“I’m seeing increased activity on the street,” Garcia-Heberger said. “Most of the increased activity is on the weekends and at night. I think people are still getting used to it. Once more people know about it, I think it will really help.”

What is your perception of the changes to K Street over the past month, since cars were allowed. Have you driven down the former pedestrian mall? Let us know in the conversation below.

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edited on  December 7, 2011 | 7:48 AM
“It hasn’t increased business yet because there’s nowhere to park. "

Bingo. New Urbanist Trolley Man doesn't work out for real commerce. Perhaps they can turn the unused "Square" at what used to be K and 11th Street into herringbone metered parking spaces? Or one of the unused sites along K into a multi-story parking garage?
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December 7, 2011 | 9:34 PM
There are already several multi-story parking garages along K Street or within one block: on 3rd, 6th/7th (underground), 10th, 11th, 12th and 13th (the last two as part of hotels) and a few surface parking lots. Thousands of spaces, in fact. Lining K Street with parking along the entire length open to cars will add a grand total of 90 parking spaces (assuming no space is left for loading zones, fireplugs or crosswalks, and all light rail loading ramps were removed.) What unused square at 11th and K? The space in front of the Cathedral gets used a lot (every time there is a wedding or gathering at the Cathedral it fills) and the area between K and L on 11th is an excellent "outdoor room" with just the right proportions--it gets a lot of pedestrian use. I think maybe you just consider it "unused" because you seem to ignore the presence or role of pedestrians entirely...
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edited on  December 7, 2011 | 9:39 AM
You are asking the question after only a month and in late fall? Give me a break. Is the point of this article to say 'I told you so'? Because if it is, you have failed. It's way to early to be assessing the impact of opening up K Street. Additionally, no offense to those interviewed, but just because you work on K Street doesn't mean you know what's going on. I know one of those interviewed who has already formed a negative opinion is always negative about everything so I wouldn't put too much weight in their opinion.

The only soluton that suburbanites/suburban minded Sacramentans seem to ever come up with- is that we need more, more, and more parking. Curmudgeon you never disappoint me. If you think Sacramento has actually been rebuilt around New Urbanism and has an inter-urban transportation system (light-rail is a suburban commuter system) then you really are clueless.
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December 7, 2011 | 10:10 AM
Hi Mark,

There was no intention of "I told you so" in this article. It's just an update to let people know what those who are there on a daily basis are seeing. We all know these things take a while to have any effect, as some of those interviewed pointed out.

I stood at the light rail stop in front of the Crest for 10 minutes before I saw a car on the street for the photo. The natural question most who don't travel K Street every day would have is, "Are there cars on it now, and is there any change?" That's what this was about.
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edited on  December 7, 2011 | 7:36 PM
I'm glad I "never disappoint you", Mark. The truth is necessary.

And the truth is that in order to bring money downtown, you must make it not a hassle for outsiders with a modicum of money to come there, since there aren't enough people living downtown who aren't on skid row. That and police protection for them when they get there, of course.

Building lots of "SRO's" (a.k.a. flophouses), as some have suggested, will help to house the skid row population, but won't bring any meaningful commerce in. And any SRO that is to be a better standard of living than a flophouse will need a parking garage with it.

So you say that "light-rail is a suburban commuter system"? Yah, because an even shorter "intra-urban" (not inter-urban, because that goes out to the dreaded suburbs, you know) rail system that didn't go out far enough would be even more effective at bringing people in, right? Really?

And of course, the claim that if Sacramento had "actually been rebuilt around New Urbanism" all would be well??? Because we just haven't thrown enough good money after bad. If we all just try really hard at what doesn't work....

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December 7, 2011 | 9:31 PM
Trying to simulate a suburban shopping center in order to attract people who hate cities back downtown is the strategy that has been tried repeatedly over the past 40 years. The one thing that really hasn't been tried is turning K Street back into a traditional urban neighborhood, and re-connecting it with its adjoining central city neighborhoods.
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December 8, 2011 | 10:05 AM
For starters, we *don't* "hate cities". We hate what the cities have *become", in no small measure because of people like the "New Urbanist" wanna-be social engineers.

As for re-connecting K Street, isn't that what bringing road access back is all about?
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December 8, 2011 | 12:41 PM
Cities became what they are today because of the social engineers who worked mighty hard to empty cities of their populations and move everyone to the suburbs. They forgot the lessons of city building pioneered by the "old urbanists" who built K Street (and downtowns like it) in the first place, and assumed they could support a downtown where nobody lived (or at least nobody you'd want to know.)

Reconnecting K Street to the existing city fabric means a lot more than just automobile access, although for many, I realize it's difficult to conceive of any form of transportation not involving a car. Look at Los Angeles: in a decade they have tripled their downtown population, primarily by encouraging the conversion of mostly-vacant office buildings to housing, without requiring additional parking. Rebuilding their once-superb transit network has also helped reconnect Angelenos to their downtown without requiring acres of parking lots--and we can use the same model to repair downtown Sacramento.
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edited on  December 8, 2011 | 1:15 PM
Like I said, any SRO that is to be a better standard of living than a flophouse will need a stacked parking garage with it. Downtown LA office buildings *had* stacked parking garages.
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December 9, 2011 | 8:17 AM
Downtown Los Angeles office buildings constructed in the early 20th century, the sort which are currently being converted to condo use, did not, in fact, have stacked parking garages. Some of these condo projects have added parking, either integral to the building or nearby--but these private developers chose to add parking, they were not presented with an arbitrary parking requirement the way that current codes do. But there's a big difference between car storage for neighborhood residents (which is important for cities) and providing unlimited "free" parking for downtown visitors in big ol' parking lots (which is not.)
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December 9, 2011 | 12:17 PM
Ahem. Many signs for parking garages are clearly marked coming off "The 110". One can't help but think they are intended for others coming in. But the point stands. Any project better than a flophouse will have parking for the residents.
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December 9, 2011 | 12:47 PM
Ahem. Are those parking garages off the 110 free, or paid parking lots?
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edited on  December 9, 2011 | 2:01 PM
They are paid. So what? As if Sacto's aren't? The point is, having *some* place to park is necessary. Charging a premium because "that's where the action is" never bothered me. Just be aware of what your central city is really worth.....
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December 10, 2011 | 1:35 PM
In that case, your wish is granted, because there are about 5000 paid parking spaces in public parking lots within a block of K Street for K Street visitors, in addition to street parking on adjacent streets, which is free after 6 PM and Sundays. And if your concern is podium parking in residential developments, there will be podium parking in the 700 K Street project, underneath the 150 residential units going into that block.
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December 7, 2011 | 11:55 AM
That's cool Brandon. I guess I'm just anticipating the typical response. But I still think it's way too early to get any relevant feed-back. From my experience, and I walk down K Street nearly every day, I have seen traffic slowly picking up. Of course, what time of day or night you are on K Street makes a difference. I have tried rather unsuccessfully to argue that bringing cars back to K Street is not just about being able to see the shops or the drive down the street. But that it is also about changing the psychology of the space. That will take time and obviously more than just cars.
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December 7, 2011 | 12:29 PM
You're right. It will take a long time and more than just cars if it is to change. Police calls for service are down since the same time last year, a fact they attribute to the new location of the Greyhound terminal. If the 700 and 800 blocks are successfully redeveloped and start to thrive, I think K Street will be a very different place in a decade.
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December 7, 2011 | 2:26 PM
I think K Street car traffic improves the visibility of K Street businesses. It's now possible to stop and let people out of or into your car in front of a business. Parking on another street is not an issue. This is an urban area, not the Wal-Mark parking lot. It also make it easier to double back on streets south of J Street without having to cross J Street or cut through downtown alleys.
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December 7, 2011 | 4:02 PM
A couple weeks ago around 6pm I was walking on the 800 Block. There was a group of teenagers loitering in front of the Kress building at 818 K Street. Two young ladies within the group were in the midst of an argument that transitioned into a full on physical altercation pouring out into the street. A car drove by and slowed as they saw what was going on. I watched as they stopped and called 911. I stopped and called 911 as well. Within about 5 minutes, a bike copy appeared and began to handle the situation. I work and walk K St a lot and I see a lot of the positive changes occurring. Cars on K is just the latest. The new venues are busy and have become a regional draw. I've talked to servers and managers at Pyramid, Quiznos, and Ambrosia. They all seem to strongly feel that the new venues, relocation of Greyhound, and now the return of cars have been a positive impact on not just revenues but also on crime. I feel the same way. More businesses and more momentum is coming too. Estelle's Bakery is opening soon. Mayahuel seems to have hit its stride. And Ella looks to have not just strong lunches and dinners but also solid happy hours. I see the plans for a significant amount of more housing, the potential sale of Westfield and what that will hopefully turn out to become (hopefully higher education related), and approval of the new Entertainment Complex and I see a lot of positive things occurring in our city which is amazing when i think about the current economic climate. That's my two cents for what its worth...
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December 8, 2011 | 3:57 PM
Having lived downtown for a while, I don't visit that part of K Street unless there is a specific purpose. It's not because of the lack of parking spaces, there are just not any venues there that are appealing to me and my friends, except for Crest Theatre. And, to be honest, it gets a little scary after certain hours. Hopefully, with the addition of some new businesses and housing, there will be more of a reason to go down there and the dynamics will change a little.
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