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"stephenm" Asks Officer Michelle About Concealed Weapons Permits

by Michelle Lazark, published on April 12, 2009 at 10:00 AM

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Posted by stephenm,

Recently, both the Sacramento PD and Sheriff’s Department have been reducing patrols, and the PD recently only narrowly avoided layoffs. The Sacramento PD has acknowledged that simply does not have the resources to investigate many crimes, and the overwhelming majority of property crimes go uninvestigated. The District Attorney’s Office and Public Defender’s Office recently stated that they did not have the resources to prosecute and defend accused criminals meaning many criminals will remain free. To top things off, the Federal Courts have ordered prisoner releases to relieve overcrowding. This all occurs against the backdrop of court decisions stating that the PD cannot be held liable for preventing crime — i.e., the people are responsible for their own safety.
With this reality, will Chief Braziel be revisiting the PD’s concealed weapons permit standards that deny upstanding and law abiding citizens the means of defending themselves?


Dear stephenm,


I certainly understand your concern. We have to do more with less during economic crises. That being said, crimes against persons far outweigh property crimes. It is not to say that we aren’t doing anything about property crimes, it is just that they aren’t as high a priority. The quality of service hasn’t changed, just the kinds of calls we respond to. For instance, a cold burglary call, where there are no suspects on scene, and no cause for citizens to be in danger can be pending until an officer is free. There is also an online option for citizens to report crimes, freeing up patrol officers to handle higher priority calls for service.
As far as carrying concealed weapons, to be honest with you, more people are injured and/or killed with their own handguns. You have a right to protect yourself, but the average citizen doesn’t need to tote a concealed gun, and this is coming from my prior service as a military officer and police officer. The policy for carrying concealed handguns will remain unchanged.
Thank you for writing.


Officer Michelle
 

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edited on  April 12, 2009 | 10:38 AM
"You have the right to express yourself, but you don't really need a computer"

There are many reasons to give pause on liberalizing conceal-and-carry laws, but Officer Lazark pretty much gives the most condescending one, which is, "I'm a police officer and it doesn't seem necessary for a non-police officer to have a gun." Of course it wouldn't seem necessary to a police officer whose purpose it is to protect the public and who has all the support of the state to exercise deadly force when he/she believes it necessary.
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Dan
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April 12, 2009 | 10:46 AM
And could you clarify the claim "more people are injured and/or killed with their own handguns"? More people are hurt by their own handguns than those who don't own guns (which would be true, by definition)?
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edited on  April 13, 2009 | 9:05 AM
She wont clarify this because she cannot provide any REAL studies that would tend prove this assertion. Also, and the most important point of this often spewed misinformed claim, people who use firearms to protect life, most often do not report the matter to the police so their actions are never calculated in any study.

Google research by Gary Kleck Ph.D. He debunks this Officer Michelle regurgitated myth.

http://www.pulpless.com/gunclock/kleck2.html
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April 12, 2009 | 3:52 PM
It's an often-misquoted bit of anti-gun pseudo-statistics. Committing suicide with a firearm counts as "being killed with your own gun," and that number gets lumped in with the relatively small number of cases where someone has their firearm stolen and it is used by another person to kill them. Compared with the also relatively small number of self-defense cases where a person with a firearm kills an attacker (in most cases of self-defense using a firearm, no shots are fired and nobody is killed) it is used to suggest that firearms used in self-defense are risky, when in fact they are the most effective form of self-defense available.

Shall-issue concealed carry is the law in two-thirds of the country. A bill currently in committee, AB 357, is the work of a Republican Assembly member from southern California and a lesbian from Natomas, the founder of a local branch of the "Pink Pistols" (a gay/lesbian shooting club.) It would require "shall-issue" permits: police can do a background check and certification requirements, but if a person is qualified and has a clean background, they cannot be denied a permit for concealed carry.

The person who asked the question mentioned court cases stating that police cannot be held liable for not preventing a crime. The police aren't any more obligated to defend you from an attacker than it is your dentist's job to brush your teeth for you. Sure, if you are murdered the police will try to bring the responsible party to justice, but that's pretty cold comfort for the victim.
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April 13, 2009 | 8:57 AM
Hell has officially frozen over, I agree with William.
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April 12, 2009 | 6:23 PM
"The police aren't any more obligated to defend you from an attacker than it is your dentist's job to brush your teeth for you."

Nice analogy. I've never thought about the police in those terms. I've watched too many cop shows on TV. TV cops always feel responsible.
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edited on  April 14, 2009 | 7:27 AM
Yeah...Right!... This is such BS! This is the mantra of the leftist fascist power structure. Most police in America are nothing but the enforcers of fascism. They want all of the power to be concentrated within their jack boot culture, not the sheeple.

No doubt that officer Michelle carries a concealed weapon off duty....her carrying a badge does not make her any less susceptible to her claim that "more people are injured and/or killed with their own handguns" the only thing that makes a difference between her and you is a good firearms course.

I suggest that all law abiding and reasonably intelligent citizens carry concealed weapons. It is a misdemeanor to carry a concealed weapon, and if you get caught, which is very unlikely, you will most likely not do any jail time if you have a clean record. On the other hand, if you don't have a firearm and your life, or those of a loved one are in immediate danger, you could be killed by a scumbag. As the old saying goes, I'd rather be tried by 12 than carried by 6.

If you are going to carry a concealed firearm illegally, to use it effectively you must complete a good concealed carry course which includes the legal aspects of using deadly force. (Remember, we have the SAME right to use deadly force as any police officer) Shoot with that firearm on a regular basis, be very comfortable with the use of the firearm...until it becomes second nature.

In the last 20 years my weapon has saved at least two lives in deadly situations (not mine). I have also used my firearm to apprehend TWO wanted felons, one wanted for attempted murder and the other a rapist prowler trying to break into my home. Now I have graduated from the police academy and have spent years in the military, so I am an anomaly in the general public, but that is the point of making sure you are trained well and understand the laws.

In Texas, where it is legal, there has not been ONE reported case of a misused concealed weapon in twenty years. If Officer Michelle was interested in reducing crime (which she is not, she is in a union and that would mean fewer police jobs) she would support concealed carry, in Texas the general population has committed crimes at a rate roughly 400x higher than concealed carry gun owners.

You can put that statistic in your pipe and smoke it Officer Michelle.

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April 14, 2009 | 9:43 AM
I would have to agree that most of the issue lies with training and education. I understand what the officer is saying, but I don't agree. I think the best thing the officers could do is help educate and understand that we started off defending ourselves - the only person we have to worry about is the people who don't follow the same rules.

That being said, I think the Officers could help themselves and the county as well, offering classes and having inspections of folks who have made the purchases. I would be interested in seeing this come into play and think that we could help ourselves by helping ourselves.

Add items, like a lower tolerance for drinking and handguns - similar to Big Rig drivers. I think that there is a solution, but most of the time - the folks in Law enforcement need to error on the side of the overly cautious. I don't like it, but I am in favor of helping it change.
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April 14, 2009 | 11:44 AM
Regarding the first part of Stephen's letter, I think his concern that we need to start carrying concealed weapons to protect ourselves might be a slight exaggeration. The officer points out that they are not completely ignoring the calls, just giving them less priority because of the lack of officers available. She also made it clear that any situation where a citizen is in harm will be responded to as normal... eliminating the need for self protection by way of weapons. The calls that they are giving less attention to are those where there is not a sense of immediate danger.
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edited on  April 14, 2009 | 4:49 PM
"eliminating the need for self protection by way of weapons" ??? Four months ago I had two young African Americans attempt a home invasion robbery at 3AM...I called the police, and it took them 9 minutes to respond to my house. Gee the police would have protected me...sure...when? After me or a family member was shot?

All I can say is there are two young thugs alive today because I had a good security door.

Now I understand this is not about concealed gun, but I had to respond because it is liberal statements like yours that scare the hell out of me...to extrapolate on your thinking, you don't believe people have the right to defend themselves, just call the police. Thank god we have a constitution to keep you lefties at bay!
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