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Editorial: Today I support a strong mayor

by Ben Ilfeld, published on March 25, 2011 at 5:43 PM

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During the debate on a “strong mayor” system of government, each side battled over which form of government allowed for the greatest accountability to the public, democratic ideals in decision making and open debate of policy.

After a fateful 5-4 vote not to promote Gus Vina to full-time city manager and his subsequent resignation, I know that the council system we currently have is seriously broken. Why? Not because of the vote itself or Vina’s decision. But because the debate and vote were conducted behind closed doors in a closed session.

I have no idea why the council decided not to promote Vina. Council members refuse to talk with our reporters about the decision. Wait, what? Yes, you and I and everyone else has no idea why we are without a city manager. We, the public, were not party to the decision, and we cannot easily hold the council accountable, because we do not know the reasoning.

The decision over who manages our entire city government may be the most fateful decision in a decade since that person is tough to both hire and fire under the current system. Yet the people were not a party to it. We were not allowed to speak one way or another in a pubic forum. Whatever the reason, we were not told what the council or individual council members were thinking. Here at The Sacramento Press, our reporters have no access to the real story. So the public will continue to go uninformed.

There are many theories about the value of representative democracy. My favorite is that it allows the people to be deeply involved in consensus-building, and that leads to policies more aligned with public opinion. Another is simply that the public has the ability to “throw the bum out” when we get fed up with a leader. As long as our council hides behind closed-door sessions and refuses to talk with the press about the most material of all decisions, we have neither form. We cannot easily throw them out, nor are we deeply involved in policy making.

Which brings me to the “strong mayor” structure of city government. It may be susceptible to corruption and place too much power in the hands of one official, but at least we could throw the bum out.

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March 25, 2011 | 6:07 PM
Which form of "Strong Mayor" do you support?

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March 26, 2011 | 10:36 AM
sounds like another editorial. . . To be honest, I think the best system would 1. Take effect after the next election cycle at the earliest. And 2. Be strongly biased toward retaining a fair amount of power in the council.
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March 25, 2011 | 10:43 PM
Fine, but if the system currently allows the people in the system to act in this manner the system is broken.
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March 25, 2011 | 10:11 PM
If it's the city council and mayor who would not comment, and they ARE the ones who are elected (and therefore "accountable"), how would changing to a strong-mayor system change this situation?

If you think we should be able to "throw the bum out," isn't that exactly what the City Council has decided to do--rather than having to wait until the end of an elected official's term?
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March 25, 2011 | 10:43 PM
I agree, I don't think changing to a strong-mayor system would have changed this situation. Heck, it could of made it worse since it would have given one man the power to hire and fire a city manager and others.... And "today" I wouldn't trust this mayor as far as I could see him.... But we're talking about apples so need for me to start discussing oranges--lol
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March 25, 2011 | 10:45 PM
oops I mean lemons-lol
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March 25, 2011 | 11:43 PM
I disagree. By any reasonable measure the handling of the city manager (who, you know, actually manages the city :) has been a complete clusterf***

5-4 votes, petty squabbling, smokescreen resolutions and ultimately inaction are all symptomatic indicators of a dysfunctional system.

I know its far-fetched, but lets imagine for a moment that a large business is considering relocating to Sacramento and has sent a scout team to understand the political climate. They would see no permanent city manager for over year with a grim outlook for a high caliber candidate. And they would see a figurehead mayor who is just another vote on a broken city council. Who would attempt to conduct business in such an environment?

City government needs an empowered representative to do the peoples business, while also being directly accountable to the voters. At one time this was a philosophical discussion about how best to organize our city government, but now the dysfunction is slapping us in the face.
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March 26, 2011 | 12:19 AM
cogmeyer, I do see your point. Also, I can't blame the council that Vina resigned and the city would be without a city manager for a year. I'd blame the council if they chose to keep Vina solely because he would resign and the city would be without a city manager.

It would be like keeping the kings when they would threaten again to leave. Vina's heart doesn’t appear to be in it since it appears he has no problem with leaving the city without a city manager for a year therefore I'm glad the city decided to look for additional candidates. It shows me they were thinking right. In my opinion Vina bailing out when the chips are down is little different than the Kings bailing out.... If you love the city you will labor to make it stronger and make lemonade out of lemons; if you don't more power to you and wherever you go and whatever you decide to do. It is what it is- their prerogative. I don’t know why Vina resigned but his actions appear weak when we need a strong city manager. And a weak city manager with a strong mayor form of government is a disaster waiting to happen.

In regards to the strong mayor government; it’s my opinion the grass always appear to look greener on the other side. But my bet is if we had that strong mayor accountable style government we'd still have weeds/ complaints...... In fact, probably more as absolute power corrupts absolutely and in this city money talks and if I recall our mayor has bought his way out of other legal / criminal situations and not held accountable. So to keep it real until the city stops chasing money or celebrities or chasing those with money accountability is just a word to be tossed around in the game of politics and endorsement.
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March 26, 2011 | 10:50 AM
Rhonda, your reply assumes the council had ANY idea what they were doing as an alternative, which I highly suspect. I think Vina got tired of floundering in the wind and being a lame-duck CM. He had a one year eval and the council voted to do a national search. That is their perogative, but so far, even the company doing the search is frustrated with the council's dysfunction.

Vina's resignation is a sign of stength on his part, not a sign of weakness. The council looks and acts like a bunch of buffoons. I wouldn't want my livilihood hanging on their whims either. Especially with their recent track record.
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March 26, 2011 | 5:46 PM
JOS; you are entitled to your opinion. You see it as strength and I see it as weakness. You can see the glass as half empty and I can see it as half full. Whatever the case it is what it is; he resigned and I wish him the best. I think he is a very nice decent guy. I really like him. In fact I saw him as a dolphin in a pool of sharks. But I now see him as baby dolphin and well sharks eat baby dolphins. It takes mature dolphins to go after the sharks… I wondered if he'd last as a manager. But heck he didn't make it through this stage.... I believe with all my heart he is a nice guy and would do a good job, do his very best, but we need a dolphin that can swim at full speed toward a shark to guard his territory when our mayor and perhaps some of the counsel will fall in the waters/ catering to some of those, particularly SPOA, who will endorse them...... If Vina couldn't stand up to the council to protect this territory I don't see him standing up to those who hand out endorsements either.... He's a nice guy but you have to be more than nice to swim in our budget time shark infested political waters.... But again, that's just my opinion
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March 26, 2011 | 9:31 PM
I have no problem with the council deciding that Vina was not the guy they were looking for. But the council is the only entity responsible and accountable for the fact that it has been 13 months and not a single alternative candidate has been interviewed yet.
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March 26, 2011 | 10:13 PM
I agree the council should be responsible and accountable for the fact that it has been 13 months and not a single alternative candidate has been interviewed yet. I also feel our wanna be strong mayor could have stepped up to the plate at any point and said, "why haven't we interviewed a candidate.....let's get this ball rolling...." But he was looking at schools, Kings, parading back and forth to Washington to meet with other mayors on other matters..... when he too knew their was no candidate interviewed, looking at everything that could promote him and little to promote the city. Last budget he was so busy looking at a Strong mayor proposal he spent little time focusing and preparing for last years budget deficit, program cuts..... After all the mayor has more assistants than the council surely we can also hold him accountable and responsible and if he can't walk (look after the city interests) and chew bubblegum (look after his own self promotion) at the same time then surely we should think twice of giving him additional powers.... But please don’t get me wrong I don’t have a problem with admitting the council should be held accountable I just think we should also hold the mayor accountable….If we can’t hold him accountable under this form of government why would I think we’d hold him accountable under a strong mayor charter when he can just as easily make someone else the scapegoat. After all I don’t see him taking responsibility now in his own absence in addressing this matter…
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March 26, 2011 | 10:27 PM
Also contrary to the belief of some Team Johnson is neither naive or dumb. And I can see him/them saying well let the crap hit the fan; I'll come out smelling like a rose as we lay this solely on the laps of the council and perhaps more thoughts towards a strong mayor form of government… It never ceases to amaze me how in Sacramento we seem to always want to put a band aid on a fracture…
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March 25, 2011 | 10:17 PM
I don't know why the council voted 5-4 vote not to promote Vina but I think the decision not to rake him over the coals publicly stating their reason for wanting to search nationwide, was out of friendship and respect. They have worked with the man, heck, they're friends with the man, voting against him couldn't have been easy and I believe it was business, not personal.

Heck, It was personal when Johnson publicly went after each council member one by one stating his feelings towards each of them, when they voted against his strong mayor. But I don't think we really need to know why they voted as they did, especially now that he resigned. Heck, it's not to say that he wasn't deserving but perhaps their will be someone more deserving- who knows. And with his resignation I wouldn’t care why they voted against him. It could allow him to save face, retire in dignity without flaws, accusations…being printed. They didn't vote for him not to compete with others who may be equally or more qualified. I’m glad they didn’t settle - perhaps he would have been the best man for the job but we’d never know if we weren’t looking… And only the strong survive…..
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March 25, 2011 | 10:48 PM
Bottom line this is high public official and personal friendship is not a good reason to hide vital information about policy making decisions.

What if the congress sacked our president behind a closed door. Sound like a good decision to you? Not to me - not in the best interest of the public.

This is precisely the spirit of the Brown Act being trampled upon. And I am sick of it. I'm sick of the secrecy of our city government and elected officials. It creates a system where nobody is accountable for decisions of huge importance to the public who elected them.
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March 25, 2011 | 11:56 PM
I think a more likely reason would be employee confidentiality laws--it's literally a "personnel matter"--than due to friendship. The same would apply to any city employee.
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March 26, 2011 | 12:39 AM
I agree William, it could very well be a personnel matter and have nothing to do with friendship. I guess we'll never know and I just don't see why it matters much since 1) he wasn't excluded from being a candidate and had a good chance of becoming city manager since he's been acting city manager and 2) he resigned. But I can now see how his resignation could cause us to wonder if their is a reason behind the council vote and I can now see how a closed session could raise our curiosity. But I guess we find what we're looking for and I wasn't looking for corruption….. Maybe I'm wrong--lol. It wouldn’t be the first time-lol It will be interesting to see what unfolds from this and I do appreciate the article and the discussion.
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March 25, 2011 | 11:10 PM
I agree, personal friendship is not a good reason to hide vital information about policy making decisions. But I didn't see this as a policy making decision nor vital. I thought the decision was to look for additional candidates to compete..... Heck, sometimes people try harder when they are competing for a position. (that is what fargo did when competing with Johnson she finally fought harder and heck Johnson stopped competing on issues of crime once in office-- (until now when he sees the community is willing and wanting to have a discussion beyond suppression) Sometimes competition is good for the city. And sometimes spilling the beans isn’t worth a hill of beans- especially since he resigned.

No, it doesn't sound like a good decision for congress to sack our president behind a closed door. Heck, it wasn't a good decision for our mayor to sack special assistants behind a closed door and draft the Strong Mayor Proposal without the council or the public....

I do admire your passion towards the Brown Act being trampled upon. And I too am sick of the secrecy of our city/ elected officials but our mayor is not exempt from the secrecy yet our mayor appears always exempt from accountability. And a person can be held accountable without a strong mayor form of government. After all isn't your article an action which can hold some accountable?
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March 25, 2011 | 11:25 PM
Ben, I could be wrong but I just don't think we need a strong mayor form of government for accountability. I think as long as we have a strong press we can make our elected officials stronger and hold them accountable. The press reaches far more individuals than our mayor and all his little neighborhood meet and greet workshops....... If I had to vote for a strong mayor or a strong press; I'd choose the press any day. The press can reach more people and bring awareness for the people to create policy….as the mayor can hide in rooms of secrecy combined with propaganda and strategists to create self interest policy. I do think it is important for the people to know why our elected officials vote as they do; but I didn’t see this as vital policy since the decision doesn’t prohibit Vina from competing for the position. But I do seriously admire your passion towards the Brown Act
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March 25, 2011 | 11:24 PM
I totally agree Ben. This has been my perspective on this for quite awhile. Kevin Johnson was correct in identifying lack of City Council leadership and decision-making as the root of Sacramento's civic dysfunction.

Just because we don't like the messenger, lets not ignore the message.
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edited on  March 25, 2011 | 11:55 PM
If I recall Johnson complained that the council always discussed things over and over (at public council sessions) not reaching a decision. But in this case a decision was made.....now the complaint is their wasn't enough public discussion on a decision which doesn't exclude Vina from the position.

Also, It's not that I don't like Johnson. He appears to be a nice guy to some. I don't trust him and after a recent visit to St Hope with a friend of mines whose son was left hopeless- not to mention the youth NOT IN CLASS but wearing work project vests for detention washing windows instead of in class learning..... I have more reason not to trust him.....or any message he would bring... But putting Johnson aside, I just don't think the decision merits making this the root of Sacramento's civic dysfunction since their was never a decision the position would be Vina's and then suddenly in a closed door fashion taken away..... I thought it was always a possibility he would compete for the position. And it seems just because we don't like some of the council we shouldn't ignore their decision for wanting to search for additional candidates either. The decision may have just been to look around and not due to any hidden agendas.....
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March 26, 2011 | 12:00 AM
cogmeyer: The problem so far has been with the message, not the messenger.
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March 26, 2011 | 9:34 PM
Maybe for you, not for me.

I am generally agree with the strong mayor message if Kevin Johnson would have approached it with one key change.... make his 2012 re-election a referundum on strong mayor.
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edited on  March 25, 2011 | 11:30 PM
A closed session meeting concerning such an important position is the sign of a Council so mired in politics that its desperate dealings have to be hidden. The newer members of the City Council are so concerned for their careers that they just go along, stifling whatever modicum of integrity they may have once had. Our current City Council is corrupt and, indeed, inept.
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March 26, 2011 | 11:22 AM
I have been a proponent of the mayor's push for a change in the city charter to give the mayoral position more powers than it currently has. I didn't think his "Strong-Mayor Initiative" warranted the backlash it received from the public nor from the council. The situation with the City Manager and how the council has gone about finding a permanent person for the position is embarrassing. As has been typical of the council, they take too long to make a decision, or just continue to table the issue for another meeting.

I am for a strong-mayor. Maybe not necessarily as it has been proposed by KJ, however I didn’t think his proposals were all that bad. And had I been a council member I would have voted for the last one. The current city charter provides too many powers to an un-elected position (City Manager). The City Manager proposes the budget, “administers and exercises supervision and control over all offices, departments and services of the city government…” among others. If the mayoral position is going to be taken seriously in this city (the capital of the State of California, arguably the most important state in the union) then some of the functions allotted to the City Manager should be transferred to the Mayor, such as those described above.

As it stands now, the City Charter gives the mayor a glorified press secretary’s position. Some of the functions described in the charter are:

1. Shall be recognized as the official head of the city for the performance of all duties lawfully delegated to the mayor by this Charter, by action of the council or by other laws.
2. Shall provide leadership within the community in the sense that the mayor shall have the primary, but not exclusive, responsibility of interpreting the policies, programs and needs of city government to the people, and as the occasion requires, may inform the people of any change in policy or program.
3. Shall have the right but not the exclusive power to make recommendations to the city council on matters of policy and program that require council decisions.
4. Shall be included within the terms “council” and “city council” used in this Charter unless otherwise expressly provided.

These are laughable. They are fluff and meaningless. The first “function” of the mayor is the “official head of the city”. How can the position be the head of the city when it doesn’t have the power to control certain functions of the city? More of the position’s functions can be found here: http://www.qcode.us/codes/sacramento/view.php?topic=city_of_sacramento_charter-iv-40&frames=on

Compare the functions of the mayor to the functions of the city manager here: http://www.qcode.us/codes/sacramento/view.php?topic=city_of_sacramento_charter-v-61&frames=on

And one can’t help wonder, why do we have a mayoral position at all?

Also, another thing I hate about giving so many powers to an unelected position like the City Manager is it takes six votes on the council to remove the individual from office. It’s not up to the public and there aren’t provisions for a public recall. It’s not even a majority vote; it is one more than a majority vote. For obvious reasons, I don’t mind the 6 out of 10 votes, but I do mind the public is not even considered. At least the mayoral position is elected and can be publicly recalled as stated under Article XI, section 163 Recall where it states “The holder of any elective office may be recalled, in the manner provided by state law applicable to cities, by the electors after such person has held office six months”.

In closing, give the mayoral position its rightful powers considering it is the “figurehead” of the City. Otherwise, get rid of the mayoral position all together and make the City Manager a publicly elected position.
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March 26, 2011 | 6:01 PM
Rich, right now I can't take our mayor seriously let alone the mayor position.... Right now our mayor is fluff...... I don't have a problem with looking into the charter but first I'd like to see a mayor deserving of such power or control and right now money/ endorsements... drives politics not integrity and certainly not doing what is best for the quality of life for us all.... Perhaps in another time, if greed and self absorbed political career advancements, department enhancements didn't take front / center stage of politics, I would entertain the idea. But as it is now absolute power corrupts absolutely in our tangled web of deceitful political games. Right now I wouldn't give the mayor more power nor would I make the city manager an elected official. Especially since as an elected official he'd too would look for endorsements..... But that’s just my opinion.
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March 27, 2011 | 9:23 AM
rhonda, we have definitely had our discussions regarding this issue. and i agree, absolute power corrupts absolutely. however, if we wait until there isn't corruption in government, then we will be waiting a very long time. bottom line, the people aren't going to change so i say change the system. for the record, i am not saying i agree with the strong-mayor initiative because i am a huge KJ fan. from a distance, i think he is doing about as well as a mayor can do with the limited authority the charter gives him. as it stands now, i think a perceived "successful" mayor of sacramento has a lot to do with variables beyond that person's control. for instance, if the council seems to get along with each other, then the mayor benefits. if the economy is chugging forward and people are prospering (a la the 90s) then the mayor benefits. if the city has enough revenues to balance out its expenditures, then the mayor benefits. of course, the flipside is true. if the economy is crap, then people look at the mayor. frankly, my opinion is, you could put mother teresa as the mayor of sacramento, and if she were to go by the charter, she would have little to no affect on how this city performs. because the powers and direction of this city are in the hands of the city manager and the council

KJ is by no means a great mayor, but he isn't horrible either. he inherited a tough situation and with the way the charter reads, there really isn't much he can do about it. and it looks like there isn't much this council is going to do about it. we had some turnover in the last election, but it looks like different people, same problems.

i think the way this city is going to get out of the situation we are in is if more people act the way you act. an active person in society who attends council meetings, who is active in the community and who is active on sites like this. if people lead by your example, then that is how this city is going to change. i am not blowing smoke because honestly, i don't think we agree on too much and i think we are part of a different political spectrum. but i love your passion and enthusiasm and i love the "spirited" debates we have on occasion. i think if push came to shove, we could find a common ground. if only our government could learn from it's citizens :)
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March 27, 2011 | 8:06 PM
Rich, I agree, "if we wait until there isn't corruption in government then we will be waiting a very long time" However I don't agree with "he is doing as well as a mayor can do with the limited authority the charter gives him...." And because he wanted/ wants the strong mayor so bad I don't think he ever will prove their is more that he could have and should have done....I agree KJ is by no means a great mayor, and I agree he isn't horrible either. A friend of mine I met on this journey once told me, 'No one is all good and no one is all bad; nothing is all good Rhonda and nothing is all bad" Thank you for the compliment Rich, it is very nice of you. But you give me too much credit. I am simply a mother in labor- a mother in pain... I love our spirited debates also. I learn a great deal from them. They cause me to think and also do soul searching:) I agree we could find a common ground, because to add to what my friend once told me, no one is all right and no one is all wrong:)
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March 27, 2011 | 8:09 PM
Now, Rich time for more spirited debate:) Do we need a strong mayor form of government or do we need a true Leader?? I took the following definition of a leader from something I read and kept…. A leader is one who leads or commands a team. The definition of a true leader, however, is not so simple – a true leader must lead the team to complete a task in the shortest time possible, overcoming any obstacles they might face along the way. Based on this, a true leader can only be one who is purpose-driven, possesses integrity and believes in servant- leadership.

1) A true leader is purpose-driven. He/ she is motivated and driven by a goal (such as narrow the budget deficit with still providing city residents quality services, programs-- I don’t mean a self serving goal of strong mayor powers) The leader will be focused on the task at hand and not be easily distracted by other things. In this way, he is able to carry out the task effectively and efficiently. If the leader is not purpose-driven, he might waste time doing unimportant things thereby decreasing the overall productivity of the team. (like running off to meet and greet other mayors knowing the city is looking for and needs to interview a city manager)
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March 27, 2011 | 8:09 PM
cont'd 2) A true leader has integrity. A leader follows a set of internal virtues and principles in every step he takes. (In EVERY step they take not just when it suits them or in the public eye as our mayor does) A leader of integrity also has respect and is responsible for all his actions. (Responsible/ accountable for his actions whether or not he has a strong mayor charter to hold him accountable) Therefore, it is of utmost importance that he maintains the highest standard of character at all times. Our mayor loses character when he criticizes Fargo (who had health problems) for having a police escort but purchases a new SUV through city funding when he has a sizable income of his own and is a healthy, athletic individual who criticized Fargo but also uses a police escort…. And the list goes on

3) A true leader believes in servant-leadership. He puts the welfare of his team members first – they are an end in themselves, not just a means to an organizational purpose or bottom line. The leader devotes his efforts to serving the needs of his team members, bringing out the best in them and facilitating their personal growth.. The team becomes more effective. Also, this will move the leader away from self-serving, domineering leadership. (as with the Strong mayor powers) Rather, the leader will spend more time thinking about how to respect, value and motivate his team members. If he does not respect his team members, he will risk having a disunited team which is unable to work together to complete the task.

It appears even with the Strong Mayor form of government IF WE DON’T have a true leader we wasted our time…. Seems to me we don’t need a strong mayor form of government we need a LEADER as a mayor.
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March 28, 2011 | 6:02 AM
Rhonda, those are excellent definitions of a leader. At my office I have a document on my corkboard titled "Difference between Managers and Leaders". Some of the statements are:

• Managers maintain the status quo, Leaders bring about change
• Managers impose rules, Leaders provide examples
• Managers think about realities, Leaders are obsessed with possibilities

These are just a few of the sayings. We need to differentiate what we mean by leaders. We aren’t talking Cesar Chavez or Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. who were leaders of movements of people. They weren’t necessarily leading an organization or government; they were leading for a change. So they rallied thousands of people to force change.

In my opinion, if the mayoral position (again let me stress, not KJ, I am looking at the position not the person) is going to affectively lead a city that we all agree is in disarray, then the position needs to carry more weight behind it than it does. No one on the council respects KJ not of the person he is, but because of the powers the position he holds does not have. The mayor does not propose a budget affecting a councilperson’s district or agency they support; the mayor does not have authority over any department so the council doesn’t need to worry about interacting with the mayor for any departmental reasons other than a vote; they see the position as a glorified secretary – someone who periodically gets up in front of a microphone to update the press on what is happening with the city; among other useless, meaningless responsibilities. If the position had additional powers, then the council would be forced to work with the position instead of bypassing the position, which it does a lot. The mayor is one vote out of nine; hardly enough power to worry a council.

Let me clarify one other thing, I do believe in the checks and balance. I am not saying we should turn the mayoral position into a dictatorship. The budget would be proposed by the mayor to be approved by the council. Department heads hiring/firing would need to be brought before the council. I do like the idea of creating the ninth seat on the council that represents an area. There are too many unrepresented areas of Sacramento and with the growing population and the size there are voices that need to be represented on the council.

The bottom line is, I believe we need to separate the mayoral position from the council creating checks and balances. However, if the charter stays the same, I wouldn’t mind seeing the City Manager’s position turn into a publicly elected position. It is scary to see how much power the City Manager really has and doesn’t have to worry about a public vote. This is the truest definition of power without consequences.
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Rich, I love the Difference between Managers and Leaders document on your corkboard. I agree we need to differentiate what we mean by leaders and I agree with the example you provided.

I can't agree with some of what you wrote but I certainly respect and appreciate you for continuing the discussion. Now Rich, their has to be 1 or more on the council who respects Johnson, surely some of the council or heck maybe all respect some of what he has done. Perhaps some don’t respect some of his actions due to some of his games/ trickery and it has nothing to do with him being only one vote. I think the council can and has made some of Johnson’s deceit water under the bridge. I don't think he's blown up the bridge and there is a possibility for a constructive bridge of dialog IF the media stops throwing them against one another….

Rich, you can disagree with someone and still respect them- look at you and I. So, why would it be impossible for the council to still respect some of what Johnson stands for and disagree with some of his behavior or games? Heck, each council member is only one vote yet it's possible and they have been able to get a vote or more from another council member. I don't think Johnson is not getting their vote because they see him as only one vote; I think it's because Johnson’s worse enemy is Johnson and not the council.

If you think the mayor can propose a budget WHY don't we give him the opportunity to do so now since Vina is leaving. Why not let the Mayor prove himself show us he can look at the budget without looking cross-eyed at some of the residents to deliver one hand washes the other promises to unions. I recall during his campaign some kind of controversy with Firefighters unions... I can‘t remember off hand but it seemed shady lol. I say let the mayor propose the budget now - without a SMP- and while we still have some council members who are not bought and paid for by endorsements to provide the check and balances. It's not scary for me to see how much power the city manager really has since the council and mayor vote on his budget proposal or send him back to the bargaining table..... Again, thank you and I appreciate you and our spirited discussions.
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March 28, 2011 | 11:44 AM
rhonda, i like your thinking in the last paragraph and i would be 100% on board with that. basically a trial period. and you are right about KJ and his ego. he can rub people the wrong way and does. if it was a different type of mayor proposing the SMI, then maybe it would gather steam. KJ isn't the best salesperson on an issue. i was behind him when he ran, but right now i could give or take him. he hasn't impressed me with what he has been allowed to do. but at the end of the day, if he ruffles some feathers on the council, i am not opposed to that. it keeps them on their toes instead of becoming complacent (especially since it is a new council).

as always rhonda, a great conversation. thank you.
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March 28, 2011 | 12:17 PM
So, Rich you were right on the money when you previously wrote that we can disagree and still find a common ground. I think we found it.:) I wouldn't be opposed to a trial period either. Heck it might be what the city needs. And to be honest, I would want KJ to impress the heck out of us, and prove me wrong. I don't want to be right; I just want the man to do what is right for us all. If the low income community was good enough for him to knock on doors and campaign for our vote then surely we should be good enough for him to at least put effort towards the plague that infests our community- death and arrest. If Johnson developed a sound budget (and I know people will have to compromise, sacrifice and I know we can't please everyone but a balanced budget…) I would be the first in line for public speaking to say I was wrong, applaud his labor towards the budget and heck I’d hand the man a teddy bear.:)

I agree with everything you wrote and as always Rich thank you for the thought-provoking conversation.
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edited on  March 26, 2011 | 11:46 AM
Ben, I'm still of mixed opinion on this issue, having lived under both good and bad strong mayor cities. If it were possible to enact, would you support a sunset provision? In case the strong mayor turns out to be a bad or no better thing for the city, then the strong mayor structure would have to be renewed, by vote of the people--let's say after four, eight or 12 years.

While some might say that the voter already has such an option by voting out an incumbent come election, that does not prevent the powers of money (much of which comes from outside the city limits as it did/does now) to fund massive amounts in campaign contributions for ads to substitute another of their favorites whose actions might be equally bad for the city.
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March 26, 2011 | 7:01 PM
That is a really good idea.

I also believe a new system can be corrupt and harmful.

In a perfect world I would not really support a strong mayor system at all, but as long as the council can hide from the public about the head of the city government we aren't being given the kind of democracy where the public is part of the process.
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March 26, 2011 | 9:40 PM
I know you are a news man and obviously hold journalistic access dear. But I am surprised that the lack of communication from the city council in this instance is what finally drove your over the edge to support SMI.

This council has been on a rampage of inaction and pettiness for quite awhile now....
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March 26, 2011 | 10:46 PM
Ben: Under a strong mayor system, what would change? The city manager is still a city employee under that system, and personnel review or legal proceedings would still be just as confidential.
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March 27, 2011 | 8:55 AM
1. Those meetings ought not be under either system.

2. The power of the city manager would likely be lower as the mayor would be an elected official who would be in charge of the executive part of city government.
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March 27, 2011 | 12:32 PM
Ben: Can you disclose confidential information about the employees of Sacramento Press without potential legal repercussion?
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March 31, 2011 | 8:01 PM
I would hope so! I believe without a doubt that a city manager constitutes a "high public official." But I am no lawyer. I would think experts would have something to say on the issue.

if we cannot discuss the job performance of the single most important city official then we need to have a new system. There is no question that on the federal level we have mandatory open meetings for high public officials. Why would we submit to anything less on the city level?
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March 26, 2011 | 5:17 PM
Dale, San Diego adopted a strong mayor system in such a two-step process. In 2005, they passed a strong mayor proposal, but provided for it to sunset after five years unless voters, in a subsequent election, decided to either extend or permanently adopt the system. This past November, San Diegans voted overwhelmingly to make their strong mayor system permanent.
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March 27, 2011 | 12:31 PM
How does the San Diego strong-mayor measure compare to the one that was proposed in Sacramento?
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March 26, 2011 | 5:25 PM
Thanks for reminding me. I should have remembered because my niece lives there.
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March 26, 2011 | 9:37 PM
Seems reasonable.
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March 28, 2011 | 12:48 PM
Yes, you can throw the bum out, but what bum will be next in line to take the job of "strong mayor"? If you asked a successful company why it doesn't elect its CEO by sending ballots to every stockholder, they'd laugh. But that's exactly how a strong mayor city operates. The fascination with this antiquated system boggles the mind. If you have a council that doesn't believe in transparency, vote them the heck out. The solution isn't to change to a system prone to corruption where someone with absolutely no professional management experience becomes CEO. For every Bell City, there's 100 strong mayor cities where financial waste is a daily part of doing business. It only makes sense to a limited number of people who stand to profit from getting contracts unethically from a strong mayor. Check out council-manager.org.
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March 29, 2011 | 12:14 PM
Is Ben Ilfeld a journalist or a marketing professional working in the new digital media realm? Perhaps he might tell us whether he's speaking as an editor / publisher or a media biz owner or as a citizen when he writes an "Editorial" piece here @ SacPress? And welcome to the current reality of city gov't, Ben, we're glad you've decided to pay attention!
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March 31, 2011 | 8:05 PM
I am speaking for myself, but I am a leader at this organization. The proper term for an opinion piece like this from staff is "editorial." However, I nor anyone here would claim to speak for each other or the larger community of people who write on a regular basis.

I don't write often because I am not and have never been a journalist. I'm not really a marketing professional either. I am an entrepreneur and I do have a passion for Sacramento. it's my hometown, my place of birth and the place where I intend to live with my family. So I speak as a citizen and as a leader within this organization, but no more.
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