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A city staff proposal to eventually stop loose-in-the-street green waste pickup and move to container pickup will not work for all city residents, Interim City Manager Gus Vina said in an interview Thursday.

In tree-laden areas such as Midtown, a container is not adequate to hold all of the fallen leaves, Vina said, explaining why he pulled the green waste issue from the City Council’s agenda on Tuesday.

“I want to make sure I’ve challenged staff enough on creativity and the solutions that are possible,” Vina said.

The plan that Vina delayed would have encouraged moving away from loose-in-the street pickup and raised rates for residents who continue that method of pickup. Assistant City Manager John Dangberg said the green waste issue will be on the City Council agenda again within a couple weeks.

The city uses two systems for green waste pickup because of a law that was passed in 1977. Measure A states that the city cannot compel residents to put their green waste in containers. Therefore, the city must continue to provide loose-in-the-street pickup.

The proposal that was pulled from the council agenda Tuesday asked the City Council to take steps to eventually overturn Measure A. This would allow the city to enforce containerized pickup as the sole method.

Voters would have to approve a counter-measure that would abolish Measure A.

City staff had planned to ask the council on Tuesday to consider draft language for a counter-measure “for use if the City Council determines at a subsequent time to call such a measure to the ballot,” the Feb. 22 staff report said.

But Vina said Thursday that changing the measure doesn’t solve the green waste problem for people living “in heavy areas where a container doesn’t do it.”

“Land Park and Midtown are good examples,” he said Friday. “Basically, we have lots of trees, and in older areas, the trees are big.”

The proposal also included major rate increases for people who choose loose-in-the-street pickup over containers as long as Measure A is still in effect. A resident who chooses loose-in-the-street pickup now pays a fee of $13.71 per month. One of the ideas suggested in the proposal would raise the rate to about $40 per month.

City staff explained in the proposal that the number of loose-in-the-street customers has declined over time – the 103,787 container customers far surpass the 12,121 loose-in-the-street customers. The number of loose-in-the-street customers no longer pay enough in fees to pay for the cost of the service, the report said. 

“The current loose-in-the-street rate of $13.71 was sufficient to recover the full cost when 57,000 customers were putting their green waste in the street,” according to the report. “With only 12,121 loose-in-the-street customers remaining paying the same rate, there is now insufficient funding to cover the cost of the service.”

Because there are no longer enough customers to keep the rate at $13.71 per month, city staff say the rate should be raised.

Green waste pickup is a recurring point of contention between the Utilities Department, which favors containers, and some residents, who want to keep their loose-in-the-street pickup.

The department’s position, which is included in the staff report, is that the containers are cheaper and better for the environment than loose-in-the-street pickup. It takes two vehicles to do loose-in-the-street pickup, while only one is needed for containers, according to the department. Reducing the number of vehicles helps prevent pollution, the department points out.

Read the Feb. 22 green waste proposal that Vina withdrew from the council’s agenda here.

Kathleen Haley is a staff reporter for The Sacramento Press. 

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February 25, 2011 | 6:45 PM
Yard waste can be very bulky - it's not just yards with multiple trees that are a problem. I have three shrubs that grow rapidly and require pruning once or twice a year. I pruned just one of them a couple of weeks ago and filled the container. And my yard isn't either very big or remotely fancy.

I also have the same scavenging problem that I have between the trash and recycling containers. Scavengers will go through the containers looking for cans/bottles and they transfer content from container to container. By the time the City gets to the recycling or green waste containers, there's a good chance they've been contaminated. And short of sitting guarding them on the street until they are emptied on collection day, there's nothing I can do about it.
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February 25, 2011 | 10:37 PM
Tony,

I totally agree with you. Scavengers in Tahoe Park systematically remove all items of value from residential recycling containers almost as soon as they're put out to the curb. The city planned to collect the valuable recyclable material to pay for the service, but the scavengers make that impossible. Even though the containers plainly say: "NO SCAVENGING ALLOWED", the law is never enforced.

I wish I could get one side of my street to refuse the green waste containers, and the other to opt for them. If we could all coordinate that effort, we could have all of of green waste collected without stuffing our sewer drains full of leaves, which in turn causes local flooding every other storm. While I agree that Sacramento produces an extreme amount of green waste, I not longer trust my neighbors to place "responsible" piles on the curb for pick up. Half the time the piles are right in the gutter and end up making a huge mess.
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edited on  March 29, 2011 | 10:57 AM
As far as scavenging is concerned, I just had a conversation today with a guy scavenging through my trash can. He told me that even though it says "No scavenging" on the can, the police have told him he can go through the green garbage cans. I can only assume that since any recyclables found there were not in the correct can and won't be recycled, he can use the excuse of helping further the recycling movement. The most frustrating part for me is that fact that some scavengers don't wait until the cans are on the curb, but come onto properties days before collection to look for bottles and cans.
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February 26, 2011 | 8:32 AM
The rates we are currently charged are still based on the claws. Does anyone remember the city reducing rates when they went to containers for yard waste??

Sounds like city staff is still siphoning off utility money for other departments,

Vina has it right... to compare the central city to areas like Natomas where developers were allowed to plant small specie trees that will never grow above the rooftops is comparing apples and oranges.
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edited on  February 26, 2011 | 1:25 PM
Vina usually does get it right which is why the council should just hire him and not waste $35,000 on a national city manager search. Sorry it's off topic but still true. We opted for the container and it works for us, but it doesn't work for everyone and as noted above, it's lots of areas not just the central city that are impacted by this. To have two rates for refuse service that are so out of whack with each other is absurd. It's just a way to punnish those who don't want the containers.
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edited on  February 27, 2011 | 12:19 PM
"punish those who don't want the containers." It is not so much a matter of not wanting, it is more a matter of containers don't fit the needs of those who have so much "green waste" from city trees in the park strips and litter from careless and thoughtless litterbugs. Incidentally, some cities use the large vacuum trucks--cheaper and more effective than our system.
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February 28, 2011 | 9:30 AM
Customers who utilize a container for yard waste collection, are in fact charged a lower rate for collection as it is less expensive to pick up the yard from the can than with the claw. Containerized customers pay $10.35 a month versus $13.71 a month that loose-in-the-street customers pay. By law the City cannot charge more than it costs to provide the service and also cannot use rates collected for another service to subsidize rates for another service (so we can't use rates collected for garbage, recycle, containerized yard waste, sewer, drainage or water to offset the costs of loose-in-the-street collection).
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February 28, 2011 | 3:42 PM
Jessica

Quoting from the article "One of the ideas suggested in the proposal would raise the rate to about $40 per month."

Based on your comment above, it seems the proposal of $40 / month for loose pickup would be illegal. So was the city proposing an illegal rate increase, or was the $40 proposal based on voters overturning Measure A?

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February 28, 2011 | 4:18 PM
Actually, the rate mentioned in the article (and the staff report) reflects the costs of collecting loose-in-the-street waste from the 12,000 customers. The rate being paid by those customers today was based on what it costs us when there was more than 50,000 loose-in-the-street customers.
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March 3, 2011 | 4:36 PM
But isn't that just the big issue here? When everyone was on the same system the rate was low and the system seemed to work.

Why did we switch to this system? The only thing I can think of was that the intended result was to get rid of loose on the street without having to overturn Measure A.

1. Force most people to switch with an opt-out program.
2. Rates on those who do opt-out go way up (imagine the cost if just one property were left, ha!)
3. Watch people switch to containerized waste out of a serious economic incentive.

If you can't directly legislate it this is a pretty good way of achieving the policy change. Yet somehow it seems wrongheaded, immoral and against the directly expressed will of the people represented.
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edited on  February 26, 2011 | 9:42 AM
Hope they're not viewing this in terms of just Midtown and Land Park.

A lot of older neighborhoods in North Sacramento and, like Isaac pointed out, Thaoe Park not only have a lot of trees but large plots. In other words, you have the home and a fairly large backyard and/or front yard. That adds up to a lot of green waste which can't really be crammed into a can.

Got to say this is ironic considering we're the "City of Trees".
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February 26, 2011 | 12:08 PM
In some cities, there is use of bags for the collection service of green waste. Once a week you place your city approved biodegradable bags at the curb for pick up, using as many as you need. Has that been tried in Midtown?
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February 26, 2011 | 6:09 PM
There are PLENTY of municipalities who've well-solved this "problem" and Sacramentans should stop being so stubbornly myopic! Does even the very dedicated Mr. Vina really believe there's something somehow unique about the volume of green waste generated in older (just cuz it's California and there's practically nothing older than a century in most of the state doesn't make it actually old: anybody wanna compare early American urban settlements like ... Boston) neighborhoods? If a property owner CHOOSES to generate so much waste (instead of composting or other perfectly reasonable options) then costs simply should be incurred. What's the big deal here, except for political pressure from "reverse nimby" reprobates? To quote Seth Meyers, who grew up in suburban Boston, "... Really?"
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edited on  February 28, 2011 | 3:39 PM
Like what you say, with the exception of the comment of property owners generating waste. The trees that generate 99% of the waste on my property are not mine to do as I please, so I have no choice.
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March 3, 2011 | 4:40 PM
That is pretty silly. First, yes we do have an exceptional situation. We lived in the most treed part of the most treed city in North America.

Second, before any changes in the system we all paid fairly low bills to collect waste on the street. It just happens to be expensive to support two different collection systems for the same neighborhood at once.

Third, we have expressed our opinion on this issue through a direct vote. Measure A was clear and this is a way around that expressed will of our city using economic means to squeeze out those who oppose the move or have tons of waste generated by giant trees on city property next to our houses.
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February 27, 2011 | 9:46 PM
The reason there are "insufficient customers" using loose in the street pickup is because the city first delivered containers to everybodies houses, then made it very difficult to opt out of the container program and go back to loose-in-the-street pickup once the containers were delivered. Those that had the fortitude to get this far were then rewarded with higher rates.

Obviously this was the city's transition plan to overturn Measure A's intent. There are legitimate issues with loose street pickup. But instead of simply listing those, Gus Vina chose to hide behind an "insufficient customer" argument, knowing full well that the city's actions purposefully chased those customers away from loose street pickup.

You gotta wonder why a city would work so hard to undermine the will of the Measure A voters that clearly wanted loose street pickup for their city.

But In the Chinese democracy of Gus Vina's City Hall, the voters and their will are just a nuisance that must be circumvented.
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February 28, 2011 | 1:23 AM
Green waste containers work well in the County and other cities in the region. If you need more than one green waste container you simply order a second one. The midtown area really needs to get their act together and keep the streets and gutters free of both trash and green waste.
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February 28, 2011 | 8:22 AM
Your point is well taken, except for one small detail. The trees that generate 99% of the waste on a midtowners' property are not theirs to do with as they please, so they have no choice. Yard waste from one's own property can and should be handled by greenwaste cans, but the big trees planted along the public streets many decades ago are another matter.
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February 28, 2011 | 3:41 PM
What is the connection between green waste and the trash in the streets? I have heard this twist before...that somehow green waste cans will somehow eliminate the litter bugs?
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March 1, 2011 | 9:25 AM
The city is very inconsistent in their loose-in-the-street policies. I opted out of the green container program and am paying the higher fees yet I don't get service every week. It's often several weeks between pick-ups. Then when I do get the LITS pick-up, all of my neighbors, who are paying the lower fees for containers, also get their piles picked up. So I feel like an idiot for paying the higher fee. I realize there is supposed to be a schedule for city wide LITS pickups, especially during the fall, but that seems to have been abandoned ages ago because the smaller crews just can't keep up with the sheer volume of leaf material.

The city crews can't be expected to scrutinize a list for who has paid for LITS and who hasn't so the system is not working.
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March 1, 2011 | 12:28 PM
The city crews can't be expected to scrutinize a list for who has paid for LITS and who hasn't so the system is not working.
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Why not? Private companies like El Dorado County Disposal (A Waste Mgmt company) have no problem whatsoever only servicing up to date accounts.

On these boards I have often questioned the wisdom of Local 39 workers and their corrup union management. But even I will give them the benefit of the doubt that they are capable of reading a house address!
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March 1, 2011 | 1:53 PM
Agreed cogmeyer. How can the city get a pass on doing something every business would do as a minimum threshold of providing a consumer service: know who pays you.
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March 1, 2011 | 10:18 AM
This has been a scam by the city from day one. Usually to be in a "volunteer" program, you volunteer to join. In this one you need to volunteer to get out.
If they were to survey the folks who are currently using the can, I'd bet you that most think it's a mandatory program. Otherwise why would the city deposit another can on my property?
It took me multiple phone calls and faxes - both before the can arrived and after - to get out of this program.
I don't have the room for a third can and I've got a lot of trees on my property. This is a sneaky bureaucrat's way of working around the law.
Volunteer my butt...
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March 1, 2011 | 12:35 PM
Same here pdberry. Had to call about 5 times, and wait 6 wks for the can to be taken away and to be transitioned moved back to the regular program. And meanwhile the city threatened me with a fine for continuing place my leaf pile in the street.

What is amazing is how much effort the city has gone through to put all these hurdles in place, in direct opposition to Measure A, which was specifically approved by voters to prevent exactly this from happening.

Reminds of how tin pot dictators claim they have open elections, never mind that any viable alternative candidate has been locked in jail. Same thing here... you can have loose street pickup if you want, except we will make it hard to stay with the program, and once we chase everybody away we will raise the rates!
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