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by Suzanne Hurt, published on October 11, 2010 at 8:21 PM

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Sacramento residents will get a chance to comment on the city's plan to reintroduce cars to K Street Mall at a community meeting on the issue Thursday evening.

The meeting is one of the last opportunities for people to give feedback on the design concept, which is not yet complete. The Sacramento City Council previously approved a $2.7 million construction and design project allowing cars back on K Street from Eighth to 12th streets.

The meeting is scheduled for 5:30 - 7 p.m. at the historic City Hall, 915 I St.

The public's input is being sought before the City Council's Nov. 4 meeting. The council will be asked to approve an environmental study and allow the final design work to be undertaken, said the city's Economic Development Department spokesman Maurice Chaney.

The City Council voted in November 2009 to allow bikes back onto K Street. The change took effect Dec. 24, 2009.

K Street Mall was closed to cars in the 1960s. The city's goal is to allow cars back on K Street by late 2011. 

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October 12, 2010 | 11:27 AM
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October 12, 2010 | 3:05 PM
I still like it as a walking mall. The argument that it'll generate more business because people will see the businesses there is bunk. People know that there are business on K street. If they're not going because parking is hard to find on existing trafficked streets, then they're not going to go if it opens up. Especially if it's before all this supposedly amazing stuff is going to be happening between 9th and 7th.

The main problems with K are the huge blank spots where there are no stores and the fact that you have to deal with the gangs of ghetto people at the St Rose stop, and those across the street at the main downtown plaza bus stop.
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October 12, 2010 | 9:27 PM
This project won't put any parking on K Street itself--there will just be two lanes for autos to drive, and maybe one or two pull-out areas to drop people off, but no parking. And even if there was, on the four blocks between 8th and 12th, there would be room for less than 100 parallel parking spaces total.
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October 12, 2010 | 5:02 PM
One day, I hope we see cars on K all the way to the river.
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October 12, 2010 | 8:46 PM
Opening the K Street Mall is critical to making that street viable again.
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October 13, 2010 | 10:29 AM
If the light rail was elevated a la Chicago, and then a two lane K street with a herringbone pattern of parking spaces were established, then K street could be revived. But there isn't money for that (well, there could have been had that ridiculous Green Line not been built, but I digress). But simply opening K street without parking will not help.
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edited on  October 13, 2010 | 9:29 PM
Putting angled parking on both sides of the four blocks of K Street (8th to 12th) would add a grand total of about 200 parking spaces, assuming no disabled parking, no driveways, no hydrants, no loading zones and no drop-off or valet parking areas. Including all the Downtown Plaza lots, 10th and L and existing street parking, there are around 5000-6000 public parking spaces within 1 block of K Street, most of which are closer to the actual shopping parts of K Street than the project area. Those on-street parking spaces would certainly be metered spaces, otherwise they would be 100% occupied by the first couple hundred people to arrive downtown of the 80,000 or so who commute in each weekday, so they wouldn't help visiting shoppers much. In return, you would lose most of the pedestrian space, which can actually get pretty crowded already during the work week, and greatly limit bicycle access, since they would not have bike lanes and would have to share a narrow and already crowded sidewalk with pedestrians.

Now, that's assuming that elevating Light Rail would be cheap and easy, rather than being a downright enormous, prohibitively expensive project that would leave its right-of-way in shadow and increase street noise. But of course it wouldn't, so let's just scratch that idea right off the bat.

So no, it isn't going to happen. K Street is not a suburban mall, never functioned as one, and cannot function as one. Trying to make it resemble one won't work.
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edited on  October 14, 2010 | 7:38 AM
200 parking spaces? That's a heck of a lot more than your typical strip mall has, let alone a corner mart, let alone your swanky midtown boutique.

Metering? No problem, adds revenue.

Pedestrian space gets crowded on work days? What color is the sky in your world? I work downtown. I suppose if you take into account the need for lots of room to steer clear of bums, maybe.

Did I ever say elevating the trolleys would be easy? Nope. But having a real, grade separated, rail system with its own right-of way is desirable, period. And certainly that should be done before building white elephant projects like the airport extension.

After nearly three decades of "green" pedestrian transit mall failure and streetcar fetishism, it's time to get real. Not enough people will shop K street without immediate adjacent parking. Either that or turn all K Street into office buildings and give up on the idea of a retail K street.
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October 14, 2010 | 11:35 AM
This plans calls for zero additional parking spots. So not one spot will added.
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October 14, 2010 | 8:35 PM
I work downtown, and live in midtown. And yes, K Street gets crowded on work days, particularly during the lunch hour.

I do agree with one part of your post--give up the idea of a retail K Street. K Street is, and should be, mixed-use: residences, offices, services, entertainment, and also some retail. It has never worked as a substitute for a suburban mall, because it is not in the suburbs.

Those 200 parking spaces would be over the course of four blocks, not in a single area, and they would not be free.

There isn't much point in elevating light rail--it would be hideously expensive, and wouldn't really help anything. Plenty of cities have street-level light rail and streetcars.

After nearly seven decades of taxpayer-subsidized highway failure and automobile fetishism, it's time to get real. Not enough people living on and near K Street is what killed it in the first place--K Street was already in dire shape when the pedestrian mall was built. A lack of cars didn't kill K Street, and trying to turn it into a suburban strip mall won't save it.

I'm still a bit skeptical about cars on K Street, but I'm willing to give it a try. The current idea relegates cars to participants on a complete street, where they will not have utter dominion over the landscape. If it works on K Street, maybe we can use the same pattern on other downtown streets.
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October 14, 2010 | 9:50 AM
I think we're going to be surprised on the effects Karpaty's trio of venues will have on K Street. People are so starved for new entertainment additions to midtown & downtown (like the 30-1 hr lines outside Devere's and Mix on weekends), they will do great, even though they seem pretty odd conceptually. That takes care of evenings and happy hour, but if there was a place downtown that showed NFL games and college football games

Cars... yeah sure, but not for the parking. Cars because people like to drive by places before they go into them. It gives people a sense of destination and lets them scope it out, making it more comfortable going from the parking garage to the businesses. If they're not comfortable with parking a block away and walking, it would give them the valet option, which at $5+tip in Sac is a steal.

I got no solution for the thugs between 7th and 9th Streets. No businesses are going to open with them out front, cars or no cars. That super ghetto shoe store doesn't help the cause much either.
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October 14, 2010 | 8:59 PM
Hey now, I buy my Chuck Taylors there!

The projects slated for the 700 and 800 blocks of K all include housing. Residents watching the street tend to get irritated by the presence of folks just hanging about, and they call the cops. This, along with the plans for lots of businesses with large patios and kiosks on K, will make the area far less comfortable for thuggy hanging out, just as similar changes in other parts of the central city made those neighborhoods safer.
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October 14, 2010 | 1:24 PM
Yeah, zero added parking spots sounds like a total bummer.
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October 14, 2010 | 8:59 PM
There are already about 5000 parking spots within a block of the K Street mall.
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October 14, 2010 | 11:04 PM
good signage to the very close parking will be sufficient. Seriously there is already plenty of parking downtown.
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